My DAW is better than yours! (Friendly DAW Wars debate)

[narcissus]

Ableton = win

NUFF SED!!!

+111111111111111111111111111111111

[paravrais]

Acid Pro 7 anyone ?

Who are you, fucking Rusko?

your all bashing macs cus you lot carnt afford them. /snobbery

nah joking aside, logic = muscle

Actually my laptop cost the same as a high spec macbook (or whatever they are called these days) I just refuse to buy one on moral grounds!

[narcissus]

I haven't used too many other DAWs but here goes.

FL Studio is just so simple and unrestricting. straight out of the box you don't even have to read the manual to start making beats it's that esy.

Point me in the direction of any other DAW there you can press ONE button (that's right just one) and see everything that's going in with any mixer track; it shows you all the FX, any panning or stereo separation, any sends, any external inputs, all of that on ONE screen without having to flick from EQ to FX to Sends which is just an unecessary waste of time.

Point me in the direction of any other DAW where well over 90% of ALL parameters can be automated with 2 clicks
(right click -> edit events/create automation clip). In fact most of the FL right click options are gold; reset to default value, saved my life too many times and can be done with a simple middle mouse button click. Link to controller, so many options here, link it up to the peak controller for sidechaining (which also has a built in LFO) or hook it up to the envelope controller with 4 custom envelopes and 4 LFOs, or hook it up to one of the other numerous controllers in FL and go nuts.

Point me in the direction of any other DAW with a built in sampler as awesome as FL, one click auditioning, you don't have to bring it into your project to listen to it, use a media player to do it, or bring up some extra bullshit menu for it just one simple click does the job. Then once you've got your sample you can filter it with one of the 8 built in filters with for separate envelopes for volume, pitch, cutoof and resonance all without having to go anywhere near the mixer or using any external FX. Or you can use the built in audio editor, chop up your samples and NOT have toe render/export it to use it in the same project you just drag it onto the step sequenceror the playlist and your done.

And that's literally just a fragment of FLs awesomeness, any other FLers feel free to add something

ableton does all that. except replace '90%' with '100%'

+ operator.

just sayin.

FUCKIN OPERATOR

[Mysius]

But I refuse to pay £1000 for a laptop then another £500 for the DAW. Bring it to PC please.

470 for a Mac Mini, 70 for Logic Express. Done everything I have needed so far.

Made the switch from a PC and Sony Acid 6/Reason to a Mac and Logic earlier this year. The difference is night and day obviously. However i do miss the bare bones of Acid, I seemed to be able to knock out x amount of songs a week with ease and have struggled to develop a consistent work flow since the switch. I actually produce less now and in some senses am not having as much fun as before. Shocking really considering Logic is streets ahead in every way you could think. I guess the moral of the tale is that it is best sticking with what you enjoy using regardless of the features/reputation.

Btw did not get a Mac purely for production, me and the missus went halves on a new computer which i obviously hog with any music related hobbies

[Lman]

Acid Pro 7 anyone ?

Who are you, fucking Rusko?

your all bashing macs cus you lot carnt afford them. /snobbery

nah joking aside, logic = muscle

Actually my laptop cost the same as a high spec macbook (or whatever they are called these days) I just refuse to buy one on moral grounds!

at least theyve put up safety nets round the factories now.

[victoryaloy]

I use Reaper.. rewired w/ Reason for Drums/Perc/FX

I started out w/ Reason.. I'm not a fan of the layout, but if you know how to work it, it can be huge.. also I really like the routing in Reason.. i wish they would allow vsts and audio.. but oh well

Ableton is amazing! I produce w/ Reaper/Reason like I said.. but I also make a Live set out of it.. cuz I HAVE to be able to play my track in real time(APC 40).. idk why its just how i am! Ableton is also good if I'm lacking motivation/inspiration.. I just put in a couple beats and improvise, and just go crazy. Great program!! (APC 40 Edition btw)

I've used digital performer.. amazing EQ but thats the only thing that really stands out.. unless you feel like making 2 tracks for every midi instrument! The layout is nice.. confusing at first.. but you can pretty much drag anything to make it its own window.. which can be VERY convenient.. I don't use it anymore tho.. I find reaper + the right plugins a lot better.

Never touched cubase.. I really want to see what the hype is about.. A LOT of edm producers use it!

Pro Tools.. unfortunately this is what my uni uses.. so I'm going to be forced to learn it.. but I think the fact that you can only use digi products and is a huge turn off for a lot of people.

I'm on a Mac so I've always wanted to try Logic.. but it seems the main hype is the plugins that come with it.. I'm currently happy with the plug-ins I have.

On Mac so no FL for me.. when I was starting I would've like to try it.. but not to curious anymore!!

IMO Reaper + Plug-ins are better than any DAW BECAUSE... with pretty much all DAWs you basically paying mostly for the plugins bundled.. so you have to pick which bundle is best for you.. with Reaper you only have to drop $60.. and the rest of the money can be put towards what YOU want.. not which bundle, specifically which vsts you want.. so basically you get more freedom with your money.. and also Reaper has some pretty nice plugs-ins as well!

[abZ]

Reaper - free so can't be good
Fruityloops - Can't tell people what you use with a straight face
Acid pro - acid is awesome as long as we are not talking about the software
Logic - it's real purty, for gays and girls
Cubase - you need an engineering certificate to do the most basic things
Reason - no vst rotfl
Pro tools - for professional tools
Any tracker - you really use reason or fl you just won't admit it

Ableton wins

[Mysius]

Fruityloops - Can't tell people what you use with a straight face

pure lolz

[narcissus]

'free so can't be good' ... not sure this is true in all cases...

and i've actually heard some pretty damn good stuff come out of logic

[DZA]

Reaper - free so can't be good
Fruityloops - Can't tell people what you use with a straight face
Acid pro - acid is awesome as long as we are not talking about the software
Logic - it's real purty, for gays and girls
Cubase - you need an engineering certificate to do the most basic things
Reason - no vst rotfl
Pro tools - for professional tools
Any tracker - you really use reason or fl you just won't admit it

Ableton wins

Reason rewired to Ableton = god mode

[futures_untold]

Ableton - overpriced so can't be good
Fruityloops - Can't tell people what you use with a straight face
Acid pro - acid is awesome as long as we are not talking about the software
Logic - it's real purty, for gays and girls
Cubase - you need an engineering certificate to do the most basic things
Reason - no vst rotfl
Pro tools - for professional tools
Any tracker - you really use reason or fl you just won't admit it

Reaper wins

Fix'd...

[Depone]

Logic Pro... Works every time, 60% of the time...

[DZA]

Ableton - overpriced so can't be good
Fruityloops - Can't tell people what you use with a straight face
Acid pro - acid is awesome as long as we are not talking about the software
Logic - it's real purty, for gays and girls
Cubase - you need an engineering certificate to do the most basic things
Reason - no vst rotfl
Pro tools - for professional tools
Any tracker - you really use reason or fl you just won't admit it

Ableton + Reason wins

Fix'd...

[nitz]

[quote="abZ"]Reaper - free so can't be good
Fruityloops - Can't tell people what you use with a straight face
Acid pro - acid is awesome as long as we are not talking about the software
Logic - it's real purty, for gays and girls
Cubase - you need an engineering certificate to do the most basic things
Reason - no vst rotfl
Pro tools - for professional tools
Any tracker - you really use reason or fl you just won't admit it
Albleton crash's up too often

[futures_untold]

Isn't Ableton really buggy?

And for all the money you spent, surely you want a stable product

[DZA]

Isn't Ableton really buggy?

And for all the money you spent, surely you want a stable product

Mine aint

[nitz]

Isn't Ableton really buggy?

And for all the money you spent, surely you want a stable product

Supporting evidence ^

Point proven. Thanks

[futures_untold]

oh you use Reaper too...

Yeah it's great for a multitude of reasons. Editing items is really easy, the versatile tracks that aren't limited to one type of media, simple routing. It's customizable, the bundled plugins are actually really useful, and it's got built in VU meters beside the master peak meters! Chea!

Reason sucks because it doesn't seem very precise with levels. The routing is flexible but convoluted. Don't like midi editing, no vst, no audio... Oh yeah and doesn't it still only take up part of your screen? STUPID!

Haven't played with Cubase lately but I've always generally got the impression that its users were all douchebags

Pro Tools is shit.
Shit.
Proprietary hardware, crippled LE and MP versions just so you'll pay oodlez of dollars to upgrade to HD (did they fix the PDC yet?) Some nice bundled plugins but fuck off with using RTAS for everything. Just admit Steiny won with VST

Logic is sweet but macs are for cigarettes

Ableton just has an unintuitive layout and the way it handles things just weirds me out

Renoise looks kinda kool but I can't be stuck to a grid, I need to be able to manually place notes exactly where I want em

Anything else is too obscure to immediately come to mind (I'm looking at you Sonar) and thus is poop.

Oh yeah and FL is still called Fruity Loops by everyone. What a stupid name decision. Change all your plugins from Fruity this and Fruity that to "Testosterone Compressor" and "Manly Chorus" and then we'll talk. Windows end up in a giant layered cluster fuck. Having to patch things to a mixer track instead of one being created for each lane is dumb. The separation between patterns and playlist editor is not conductive to flow.

Reaper/GTFO

QFT...!

[DZA]

Pics or never happened

[abZ]

Ableton is pretty buggy when using cracks for sure but I think that is true for everything well actually the reason cracks work brilliantly.

Quit putting words in my quotes folks, I spit on reason no way I am rewiring that piece of shit with live.