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SunkLo wrote:

Moxxiedubstep wrote: Yet another asshat steps to the plate. its funny how much bad talk goes around about this forum. even from the pro's

By the way, it's because the "pros" don't like being contradicted and then called asshats by some greasy little 14 year old stooge.

Sunklo why dont you just make the sound, by yourself and post it on here? actions speak louder than typing.

Its that simple. You make the sound and post , ill make the sound and post it. then compare and contrast differences.

Phigure wrote:and besides

using saw waves for this sounds is kind of counter intuitive imo

this bass sound is just a sine with some subtle harmonics added, while an ideal saw wave has an infinite number of harmonics

Phiqure, make the sound yourself and post it. just saying. Anyone can type "how" to do something. its better to show it.

Moxxiedubstep wrote:

Phigure wrote:and besides

using saw waves for this sounds is kind of counter intuitive imo

this bass sound is just a sine with some subtle harmonics added, while an ideal saw wave has an infinite number of harmonics

Phiqure, make the sound yourself and post it. just saying. Anyone can type "how" to do something. its better to show it.

ITS ONLY LOGICAL.

Like I said, the sound only has some subtle harmonics brought out by a sine shaper and/or something similar. It's way easier to go from the fundamental and add a few harmonics than it is to take an infinite number of harmonics (or to the very least very high, since I don't think any synthesizers actually create an infinite number of harmonics) and remove a shit ton

Once again, you've got no clue what you're talking about

Phigure wrote:

Moxxiedubstep wrote:

Phigure wrote:and besides

using saw waves for this sounds is kind of counter intuitive imo

this bass sound is just a sine with some subtle harmonics added, while an ideal saw wave has an infinite number of harmonics

Phiqure, make the sound yourself and post it. just saying. Anyone can type "how" to do something. its better to show it.

ITS ONLY LOGICAL.

Like I said, the sound only has some subtle harmonics brought out by a sine shaper and/or something similar. It's way easier to go from the fundamental and add a few harmonics than it is to take an infinite number of harmonics (or to the very least very high, since I don't think any synthesizers actually create an infinite number of harmonics) and remove a shit ton

Once again, you've got no clue what you're talking about

And yet you wont make the sound and post it right? because its logical. if its that logical and you understand how its made, what would be the big deal on providing proof with a sample and the steps you did to create the sound?

Instead you resort to jusy saying "its logical"

Moxxiedubstep wrote:

SunkLo wrote:

Moxxiedubstep wrote: Yet another asshat steps to the plate. its funny how much bad talk goes around about this forum. even from the pro's

By the way, it's because the "pros" don't like being contradicted and then called asshats by some greasy little 14 year old stooge.

Sunklo why dont you just make the sound, by yourself and post it on here? actions speak louder than typing.

Its that simple. You make the sound and post , ill make the sound and post it. then compare and contrast differences.

I can't because I currently cannot boot my windows partition. Doing my flaming from Linux instead. Trust me if I was able to get into Reaper right now I wouldn't be wasting my time on this bullshat. I would have told you to eat a dick and been done with it a long time ago.

(ps eat a dick)

Basically what Phig said, it's just illogical. Taking a saw wave and then trying to subtractively cut out or attenuate most of the frequencies in a certain pattern is a waste.
Equivalent of "How do I get some nice overdrive saturation on my guitar?"
"Fuck guitars use a saw wave!"

I also noticed you didn't post any example of me trolling or making stupid posts regarding production? Couldn't find any? If I recall correctly you've never been able to prove anything I've ever said wrong. In contrast I've had the dubious honor of pointing out loads of bullshit things you've spewed.


The challenge "Well why don't you go through all the effort of making the exact sound to prove me wrong" doesn't hold up I'm afraid. Why don't you post it Moxxie?

Dude, I read the original post on my laptop, was like that's a cool song, lemme listen to that on my proper system. Came over here, had a little tango with phoebe snow, booted up the ol browser to take a listen, and 2 pages of moxxie bullshit! WHOA.

Moxxie, you weren't gone long enough, we still remember who you are. If I were you, I'd go back to kvr and hang out over there. OR create a new account over here, and try to create a new reputation for yourself.

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To op... actually all this back and forth is prolly kind of informative, as I think any number of techniques could achieve that sound, from compression induced harmonics, to sine shapers, to layered filtered saw waves, distortion, overdrive, harmonic excitation, on and on.

But I think the crux of the sound, is actually the slight chorus and the reverb on the harmonic portion of that sound. That's just my guess, I don't even know why you're asking, as you know more than most here anyway.

nowaysj wrote:Moxxie, you weren't gone long enough, we still remember who you are. If I were you, I'd go back to kvr and hang out over there. OR create a new account over here, and try to create a new reputation for yourself.

Or stop being a blatant tnuc. I'm sure it would help you out in all areas of your life.

nowaysj wrote:Dude, I read the original post on my laptop, was like that's a cool song, lemme listen to that on my proper system. Came over here, had a little tango with phoebe snow, booted up the ol browser to take a listen, and 2 pages of moxxie bullshit! WHOA.

Moxxie, you weren't gone long enough, we still remember who you are. If I were you, I'd go back to kvr and hang out over there. OR create a new account over here, and try to create a new reputation for yourself.

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To op... actually all this back and forth is prolly kind of informative, as I think any number of techniques could achieve that sound, from compression induced harmonics, to sine shapers, to layered filtered saw waves, distortion, overdrive, harmonic excitation, on and on.

But I think the crux of the sound, is actually the slight chorus and the reverb on the harmonic portion of that sound. That's just my guess, I don't even know why you're asking, as you know more than most here anyway.

lol nowaysj, i dont really care what reputation i have here. As i recall you had a nice little hate thread solely on you that got closed down.

You are correct on theres many ways to make that sound. as i was mentioning a way that works for me might work for him. It seems like these other two believe theres only ONE right way to do things.

You can hate me , but ill say i can respect you for you seem be able to think outside of the box.

SunkLo wrote:

nowaysj wrote:Moxxie, you weren't gone long enough, we still remember who you are. If I were you, I'd go back to kvr and hang out over there. OR create a new account over here, and try to create a new reputation for yourself.

Or stop being a blatant tnuc. I'm sure it would help you out in all areas of your life.

Sunklo playing the "life card" is pretty lame considering you dont know me in person

I just find it funny how you believe theres this one shot "logical" way of doing things.

Thats like telling a deaf man he cant play piano.

That being said lets stay on topic. This whole "right and wrong" thing is getting old. Ill be sure to state everything i say as an opinion

Never said there's only one way to do things, but like teaching a blind man to play piano vs a hearing capable man, one way is usually much easier than another.

That being said, if OP has a sound and wants to add harmonics to it "use a saw wave" is waste advice.

The real issue at hand that we've been on about the entire thread is that you're a condescending know it all who gives shit advice and then tries to twist things around and insult other people when they disagree with you. No one actually regards you as a credible source of information and your posts only serve to give people something to chuckle about or mislead noobs. Selectively choosing to reply or acknowledge only the parts of peoples' posts that you can misinterpret to your own atvantage does nothing but further discredit you.

Moxxiedubstep wrote:

nowaysj wrote:Dude, I read the original post on my laptop, was like that's a cool song, lemme listen to that on my proper system. Came over here, had a little tango with phoebe snow, booted up the ol browser to take a listen, and 2 pages of moxxie bullshit! WHOA.

Moxxie, you weren't gone long enough, we still remember who you are. If I were you, I'd go back to kvr and hang out over there. OR create a new account over here, and try to create a new reputation for yourself.

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To op... actually all this back and forth is prolly kind of informative, as I think any number of techniques could achieve that sound, from compression induced harmonics, to sine shapers, to layered filtered saw waves, distortion, overdrive, harmonic excitation, on and on.

But I think the crux of the sound, is actually the slight chorus and the reverb on the harmonic portion of that sound. That's just my guess, I don't even know why you're asking, as you know more than most here anyway.

lol nowaysj, i dont really care what reputation i have here. As i recall you had a nice little hate thread solely on you that got closed down.

You are correct on theres many ways to make that sound. as i was mentioning a way that works for me might work for him. It seems like these other two believe theres only ONE right way to do things.

You can hate me , but ill say i can respect you for you seem be able to think outside of the box.

You're doing the same shit you did in the drums thread.

You completely denounce one technique and say USE MINE, and when people refute your bullshit, you contradict yourself and say "no, there's many techniques". Earlier in the thread you explicitly said "don't fuck with sine waves, use saw waves" and now you go back on what you've said after you've been "defeated" and say "oh it's just one of many techniques"

It's exactly what you did in the drums thread; you said "don't fuck with layering drums" and at the end, after everyone destroyed your bullshit, you say "it's one of many techniques"

yet again. btw if you quote someone ,use the correct quote.

"But you dont mess with the sine wave, its all in the saw waves which has more actual harmonics. Ill try to mess with Thor tonight and hopefully help you out."

Meaning TO MAKE THAT SOUND YOU DONT HAVE TO MESS WITH SINE WAVES.

me saying "dont bother with layering" was a state of my opinion. people say dont buy bud light and people still do, people say "dubstep needs less wobble" people still use wobble.

you guys still seem to want to go off topic which just tells me you both have nothing else to show for. End.

No one "denounced" my way of doing drums was wrong. They debated that layering Drum kicks is faster and "sounds" better . another state of opinion.
I said you can do all that without layering.

Did either one of you get good grades in reading and comprehension?

It's not so much that you give shit advice, it's that you fight tooth and nail like a toddler to defend it, all the while being as stuck up and condescending to people as possible.

Things could have gone like this:
"Don't saw waves have a lot of harmonics? You try using one of those with maybe a filter with some resonance to get that sound."
"You're right Moxxie, saw waves do have a lot of harmonics, in fact they have a theoretical infinite number of harmonics, however I think the OP is looking for ways to add harmonics to a pre-existing sound. For this approach I would go with a waveshaper, which are extremely popular in the DnB community for adding harmonics or dirtying up a sound. They're very versatile in the range of distortions they can produce. The OP already mentioned a sine shaper in his post which is a kind of wave shaper. I would recommend trying out some other settings in a waveshaper, I see he's in Reason though so maybe try some other settings on the Scream unit to get some variance in his tone... etc."
"Oh geez I've never heard of a waveshaper before. I wasn't quite sure what he meant by "sineshaper" but didn't want to open my mouth to risk looking silly. So you say they can add harmonics to a sound, that's quite interesting, do you have any links to an explanation on how they work or could you give me a brief description?"
"Sure Moxxie, I'd be glad to help you out..."

People are much more receptive to someone who's humble and sincere when dealing with them instead of someone who goes in screaming, cock in hand.

And yes in fact I got very good grades in reading and comprehension, they had me take an IQ test in school and determined that I was technically classified as a "genius" for my age in that category as well as a few others. Not going for a horn toot, just saying.

Well then, this thread really went off!

Here is direct link on soundcloud of what I made with Reason using Malstrom, this is what I was going for:

Soundcloud

Additive synthesis is nice for carefully forming harmonics, but I guess it's Reason..

Soundcloud is driving me nuts. Can anyone else hear the weird high-pitched tone that goes along with the bass in what mr.haaaack just posted? It sounds like one of those lofi-izer crapsampler emulation plugins. Maybe I'm crazy.

Lol Moxxie should change his name to "/thread"

Sounds good Haack, what'd ya use?

Yeah additive synthesis is quite sexy. Especially once you get into making envelopes for each harmonic.

Moxxiedubstep wrote:yet again. btw if you quote someone ,use the correct quote.

"But you dont mess with the sine wave, its all in the saw waves which has more actual harmonics. Ill try to mess with Thor tonight and hopefully help you out."

Meaning TO MAKE THAT SOUND YOU DONT HAVE TO MESS WITH SINE WAVES.

me saying "dont bother with layering" was a state of my opinion. people say dont buy bud light and people still do, people say "dubstep needs less wobble" people still use wobble.

you guys still seem to want to go off topic which just tells me you both have nothing else to show for. End.

No one "denounced" my way of doing drums was wrong. They debated that layering Drum kicks is faster and "sounds" better . another state of opinion.
I said you can do all that without layering.

Did either one of you get good grades in reading and comprehension?

You say we don't know how to read or comprehend when you can't even construct a basic sentence.

"another state of opinion." stateMENT
"No one "denounced" my way of doing drums was wrong." No one denounced THAT my way...
"was a state of my opinion." stateMENT
"its all in the saw waves which has more actual harmonics." which HAVE more actual harmoics...

Moxxiedubstep wrote:yet again. btw if you quote someone ,use the correct quote.

"But you dont mess with the sine wave, its all in the saw waves which has more actual harmonics. Ill try to mess with Thor tonight and hopefully help you out."

Meaning TO MAKE THAT SOUND YOU DONT HAVE TO MESS WITH SINE WAVES.

Bullshit, you said "You don't mess with the sine wave", ie, "one doesn't mess with the sine wave", ie "DON'T MESS WITH A SINE WIVE"

You didn't say that one doesn't need to, you said that one shouldn't.


And SunkLo hit the nail on the head with his post

meer wrote:Additive synthesis is nice for carefully forming harmonics, but I guess it's Reason..

Soundcloud is driving me nuts. Can anyone else hear the weird high-pitched tone that goes along with the bass in what mr.haaaack just posted? It sounds like one of those lofi-izer crapsampler emulation plugins. Maybe I'm crazy.

I do hear more of a "lofi" filter sound too it but not sure about the high tone.

@Meer: No pluggin here, but soundcloud always kuts down on db even on a mastered tune, and i don hear high pitched tone

Yeah no high pitched tone here, tinnitus actin up?