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Re: shufflely hat pattern

Post by dav.id » Tue Jul 27, 2010 10:53 am

Maybe it's beacause i use to drum and dance cuz i really don't find it difficult....

I beatbox now for like 10 years and sometimes i record my own hi hat beatbox pattern and then try to recreate it with actuall hats....it's also pretty handy cuz you can see how you need to edit the velocity....and there are no limits:)
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Re: shufflely hat pattern

Post by grooki » Tue Jul 27, 2010 11:29 pm

dav.id wrote:Maybe it's beacause i use to drum and dance cuz i really don't find it difficult....

I beatbox now for like 10 years and sometimes i record my own hi hat beatbox pattern and then try to recreate it with actuall hats....it's also pretty handy cuz you can see how you need to edit the velocity....and there are no limits:)
that's a cool idea!

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Re: shufflely hat pattern

Post by Basic A » Tue Jul 27, 2010 11:36 pm

grooki wrote:
dav.id wrote:Maybe it's beacause i use to drum and dance cuz i really don't find it difficult....

I beatbox now for like 10 years and sometimes i record my own hi hat beatbox pattern and then try to recreate it with actuall hats....it's also pretty handy cuz you can see how you need to edit the velocity....and there are no limits:)
that's a cool idea!
just beatboxing into the mic and throwing some effects on it (crush a bit, reverb, coloring compression like a madman, ect.) can have awesome results.

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Re: shufflely hat pattern

Post by qwaycee_ » Wed Jul 28, 2010 1:12 pm

yamaz wrote:Yes this is something i need help on and will need to practice up on as well. Any tips on using ableton live's built in groove machine to get a goood hi hat pattern shuffle? I tried using some of the built in MPC grooves and well it just didn't really sound all that great. Is it best to apply these grooves at a certain % range like between 40-60%? Also is it best to apply this groove to 16th note hi hats or 16T(triplet) hi hats?
last version of ableton i used was 7...so i know nothing of the groove machine. i also no longer use ableton.

but one think that you can do in ableton is program a somewhat basic hi-hat pattern in a drum rack. or even a more 'complex' one. even place hits randomly. then freeze and flatten whatever you record. then slice it to a new midi track or whatever the option is called. you can then throw the arpeggiator on this midi track. play around with the sync rate, steps, repeats, style, etc.

and in 7 there was the button next to the time signature box...where you can increase the value to apply a groove....raise that up....

maybe the groove box makes that thing unnecessary? i don't know.

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Re: shufflely hat pattern

Post by Assassin » Wed Jul 28, 2010 2:20 pm

fassyman wrote:aiiiight, im shit at programming hats. can never get them sounding right so i always give up on them. so my tunes always end up lacking energy cos theres no fast paced hat action goin on.

could someone point me in the right direction as to how to programme some shuffled hats. cheers
Have a listen to what's going on in your favourite tracks with swinging, shuffling hihats. Then try and copy it and add swing just to teach yourself. Then you'll find it just clicks into place. Joy Orbison is a god with teh shufflez!

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Re: shufflely hat pattern

Post by Assassin » Wed Jul 28, 2010 2:25 pm

There's some great presets in ableton. Just have a little look through the 16th ones to achieve a more shuffled sound then reduce the timing amount and possibly the velocity.

Also getting a really rolling funky 2-4 bar part from a tune- maybe some 2step - and extract the groove.

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Re: shufflely hat pattern

Post by HALP » Wed Jul 28, 2010 3:12 pm

Beats certainly dont need hats, they can be very good for the energy though
my tune leek doesnt have hats
and there's moshpits going on sometimes i heard

still, good hats are difficult, true

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Re: shufflely hat pattern

Post by jsills » Wed Jul 28, 2010 4:26 pm

i do a lot of diff shit to my hats but one way to make em shuffle is to unquantize. either by playing them in midi or turning off your grid and moving them by hand. in ableton ill copy a hat sample on say...1/8 notes then ill go in and turn the grid off and move samples back or forward to get the swing i want. and definitely use more than 1 hat sound. i typically use 3-5 diff hat sounds that play off each other and then pan them in different spots so they are skattered across the stereo field. got it?

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