An afterlife theory from a different standpoint

[nousd]

^ I can relate to that

and the perils of reintegration into this,
the reinhabiting of this body
to reassociate with this limited psyche
perhaps to regain consciousness,
recreate the poles of duality,
again experience self vs other,
take a holiday from undifferentiated awareness
and meet oneself in others.

As Parson may be indicating,
in a sense, it has all been done before
(altho, not necessarily the same being moving through different bodies)
and for some adepts it becomes easier.

DMT flashes during dying may well be a palliative mechanism
but are essentially irrelevant to after life
whereout there is nothing
& no-one to experience the fecund kaos.

[d-T-r]

achieve lucidity in life to achieve lucidity in death.
don't see death as a 'loss' of your life. you didnt 'own' it to begin with.
realize the energy flow of the universe, realize 'you' never really 'go' anywhere.
when your zoomed in on just one perspective the universe contains, of course everything will seem fleeting and everything will be moving real fast. over time on this plane, learn / harvest the ability to zoom your consciousness and awareness out as far as you can, and you'll see things appear to not move at all and that your true presence lies beyond the boundaries the eye and mind define.

disclaimer: this is just what i think, i think, at the moment. it's all subject to change...which is ok.

[xarcane]

^ I can relate to that

and the perils of reintegration into this,
the reinhabiting of this body
to reassociate with this limited psyche
perhaps to regain consciousness,
recreate the poles of duality,
again experience self vs other,
take a holiday from undifferentiated awareness
and meet oneself in others.

As Parson may be indicating,
in a sense, it has all been done before
(altho, not necessarily the same being moving through different bodies)
and for some adepts it becomes easier.

DMT flashes during dying may well be a palliative mechanism
but are essentially irrelevant to after life
whereout there is nothing
& no-one to experience the fecund kaos.

That was brilliant. Utterly brilliant. "Whereout there is nothing, and no-one to experience the fecund kaos". Your posts are normally good, but that one was peak.

[bright maroon]

Oh - I get it...

Parson is at the "grown mustache" phase

[nousd]

ta xarcane
apart from having the profound experiences that shape our knowledge,
it's a great challenge to nail our thoughts succinctly eh?
but the appreciation is mutual,
I enjoy your ideas, the way you express them clearly
and your inclination to remain reasonable whilst uncomprimising.


bm's turtle is pretty sexy too

[grillis]

I've thought about the endless-loop/eternity - DMT release thing you described here for some time now, only expressed it to a few people.. I was pretty amazed to see it here, is it just your own thoughts too or a more established theory?

I hadn't seen it as a heaven/hell type thing though.. all the points raised about the cases in which the brain may have no opportunity to release the dmt are valid, I'm sure the physical tearing apart of consciousness/the brain would have its own bizarre effects.

[2manynoobs]

*sings* I don't give a shit, nananananananaaa


imo, if it's true that dmt is released -in epic amounts when you die- (i want evidence tho), I think its just some sort of natural catapult to BLAST your souly ass out of you body into dimensions beyond imagining you'd imagine imagining something like that.

Altho..... this theory doesn't work when your head is blown off so idk/idc really..

[parson]

maybe folx with their heads blown off linger around as ghosts

[noam]

maybe you should wait and see...

[2manynoobs]

maybe folx with their heads blown off linger around as ghosts

yes this was spooking through my head as well.


But I'm not sure if I believe in ghosts so I didn't mention it.

so are they trapped here for ever or are there ways out?

[parson]

who knoz

[2manynoobs]

who knoz

so you have no theory on this? Lol this has to be the first

let's do some search then

[noam]

this man will tell you all you need to knoz

http://www.derekacorah.org/

[2manynoobs]

this man will tell you all you need to knoz

http://www.derekacorah.org/

OH MY GOD THAT WAS JUST WHAT I WAS LOOKING FOR

[gnome]

42

My favourite number.

Very interesting thought!

[SunkLo]

I had this exact thought when I first read about DMT. From a perceptual point of view you experience eternity. After the chemical has run out, or at the point of death, you are no longer capable of experiencing duality or differentiation between the self and the non-self. The self ceases to exist and along with it your ability to perceive from a distinct perspective. Your energy becomes integrated with that of the rest of the universe, while any traces of experience remain in the infinite trip loop. Time distortion during psychedelic states goes to show that time only exists as perceived and once your mind loses its frame of reference, infinity becomes a simple concept. The idea of collective consciousness then comes into play; All that is required to tap into this infinite perception is the dissolution of the dichotomy between identity and the collective. In other words, the only requirement for experiencing existence in its entirety is to completely stop experiencing it as an individual. The chemical is a trigger that strips away the constraints of self and time, which allows that passage onwards to transcendence.

[parson]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5PF0Cce ... re=related

Before you drift off, don’t forget, which is to say remember, because remembering is so much more a psychotic activity than forgeting: Lorca, in that same poem, said that the Iguana will bite those who do not dream, and as one realizes that one is a dream figure in another person’s dream….that is self-awareness!

[ketamine]

There's no need to "wonder" what happens after we die.

The being who made us already explained it in The Bible, and right in the first few pages... "thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return" or "you return to the ground, since from it you were taken; for dust you are and to dust you will return."

That's the end of it.

To explain: Where were "you" before your parents conceived?

Nowhere. The elements that would come together in your parents to form "you" were here, but in other forms. Food. Water. Medicine. Air. Metals. Protons. Electrons. Particles. You return to this.

[noam]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5PF0Cce ... re=related

Before you drift off, don’t forget, which is to say remember, because remembering is so much more a psychotic activity than forgeting: Lorca, in that same poem, said that the Iguana will bite those who do not dream, and as one realizes that one is a dream figure in another person’s dream….that is self-awareness!

one of the best bits of that film, i could talk about the ideas in that for hours

[SunkLo]

Love Waking Life, it's my favorite movie. That's one of the best scenes from it as well. The first time I watched it, I was astounded because the large majority of topics being discussed were already things I had thought about at one time or another, even really specific things. It's amazing hearing your abstract thoughts being put into succinct dialogue and played out by surreal undulating dream characters.
I recommend it very highly

Actually I watched A Scanner Darkly for the first time in a while yesterday and picked up on a few Waking Life references that I didn't notice before seeing the film.