"grime is alive cos dubstep flew past it..."

[promo]

One thing I would say has helped Grime too is the characters and videos. Like it or not dubstep is fairly faceless music which is cool and all but there are a lot of folks who like the visual element too and dubstep just doesn't have that. There are really very few memorable dubstep videos that I can think of off the top of my head.

[beanyman]

Except from Night with the weird squid thing. Unforgettably epic

[qwaycee_]

One thing I would say has helped Grime too is the characters and videos. Like it or not dubstep is fairly faceless music which is cool and all but there are a lot of folks who like the visual element too and dubstep just doesn't have that. There are really very few memorable dubstep videos that I can think of off the top of my head.

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[fractal]

[hellfire machina]

It's the energy and dirtyness of the more jump up side of dubstep that fits with a lot of grime mc's like a glove.

You can't really brush off Sukh (stoner error fixed) Knight as brostep Pete. Slang Like This gets the dancefloor bumping each and every.

I don't understand, I just double checked the beat to make sure I hadn't heard some remix, the beat has all the trademarks, the angry aggressive mid range, lfo'd synths, a straight beat and like you say is a dancefloor beat. What separates it from what you consider to be brostep / filth / etc. ?

Well I guess for a start the indian influence in his music jumps out more than anything. I wouldn't really call his leadlines angry, dark and mildly aggressive if anything. This whole brostep/filth generalisation is getting a bit ridiculous.

Your description could also be reffering to Coki/Much of Skream and Bengas catalogue and many others, not exactly an accurate water margin is it.

[truefiktion]

y re ull yoo gayz tulkin so propa fo? it dnt mata hw u spel, its hw u say it....safe safe

[pete_bubonic]

It's the energy and dirtyness of the more jump up side of dubstep that fits with a lot of grime mc's like a glove.

You can't really brush off Sukh (stoner error fixed) Knight as brostep Pete. Slang Like This gets the dancefloor bumping each and every.

I don't understand, I just double checked the beat to make sure I hadn't heard some remix, the beat has all the trademarks, the angry aggressive mid range, lfo'd synths, a straight beat and like you say is a dancefloor beat. What separates it from what you consider to be brostep / filth / etc. ?

Well I guess for a start the indian influence in his music jumps out more than anything. I wouldn't really call his leadlines angry, dark and mildly aggressive if anything. This whole brostep/filth generalisation is getting a bit ridiculous.

Saying something dark/moody would bring up memories of Kryptic Minds, Breakage and alike. I honestly don't see the difference apart from that Sukh Knight tune only has 5 different bass/synth noises where as most of the 'filth' I've heard has 329470978234 different sounds for the bass.

Your description could also be reffering to Coki/Much of Skream and Bengas catalogue and many others, not exactly an accurate water margin is it.

I'd say that these guy started that whole movement, opened the door as it were. Coki's Spongebob, Skream's Hedd Banger are good examples of early beginnings of this filth sound.

[hellfire machina]

What you hear is what you hear, it obviously isn't in sync with what I'm hearing, that's the beauty of music though.


So would it be fair to say that there has been a presence of filth for a long time? Vexd/Toasty/Search and Destroy/Distance etc etc......

As the presence of filth as you call it became more and more popular it created a reaction against it which in turn has created some amazing music on both sides of the fence.

Surely it's the cycle of any underground edm scene/movement no? One side slagging off the other is not really a good look is it? It's all bass music at the end of the day.

Strength in unity no?

[gravity]

i wish it would fucking die, its laughable

music for angry young men

[DZA]

i wish it would fucking die, its laughable

music for angry young men

SMH

[pete_bubonic]

What you hear is what you hear, it obviously isn't in sync with what I'm hearing, that's the beauty of music though.


So would it be fair to say that there has been a presence of filth for a long time? Vexd/Toasty/Search and Destroy/Distance etc etc......

As the presence of filth as you call it became more and more popular it created a reaction against it which in turn has created some amazing music on both sides of the fence.

Surely it's the cycle of any underground edm scene/movement no? One side slagging off the other is not really a good look is it? It's all bass music at the end of the day.

Strength in unity no?

I wasn't slagging anything off? Surely I can say certain sounds ain't to my liking?

Vex'd and Distance I think certainly contributed to to the beginning of Brostep, but I think a lot of what their early sound was got misinterpreted. The majority of Distance tracks for example are built around these more laid back grooves, more hypnotic distorted synths and thythms than all out aggression. Toasty is a perfect example, he could use mid range growls and distortion and not let it be anywhere near the be all and end all, his grooves, his atmosphere, I can't think of a tune that he made that wasn't just all out dancefloor rave music.

interesting actually because this had made me think of what the key indentifier for me for these filth tracks that swamp the dubs forum and alike. I guess it's the reason why it's called Brostep as well, it's that thrash metal sound, the way the lead synths tend to match the rhythm (and sound more often than not) of chugging/thrash guitars. That was so popular with the bros the first/second/third time round. I think you can trace this sound in a lot of things, slowly emerging into what we have today.

[strunkdts]

Skream is basically pop music isnt he?

And James Blake is so deep and sublime that he is beyond dubstep.......imo.

"dubstep" is almost a dis in some circles, esp that way tired lfo bass business. Seems to be where im at anyway.

[herbalicious]

Skream is basically pop music isnt he?

And James Blake is so deep and sublime that he is beyond dubstep.......imo.

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Seriously though...Wiley talks too much to make complete sense all the time.

But he does have a point I think...maybe not in the way he meant. ha Because some of the MCs have moved to Dubstep now, it's given Grime a bit more of a Instrumental focus...like Butterz. I think that label (whether conscious or not) is a reaction to the influx of wobble in Grime, and the MCs that have left.

I mean...all you need to do is ask Terror, and he'll tell you that with dubstep getting succesful, it's opened the door for him to get signed to labels (Planet Mu & Hyperdub) - obviously the fact he is amazingly talented is the main reason. But I also think (as mentioned before) the fact many people (consumers and A&Rs) have become bored of a lot of Dubstep, it's made them take note of Grime a little bit more.

I babbled and proabbly didn't make sense, but yeah....

Edit: Actually..I'm pretty sure Terror wouldn't tell you that..but yeah..that's what I think anyway!

[Capture pt]

i hate describing people like james blake, mount kimbie etc as dubstep as it just simply isnt - on many levels. its kinda just electronica stuff i guess. fuck knows.

[hellfire machina]

What you hear is what you hear, it obviously isn't in sync with what I'm hearing, that's the beauty of music though.


So would it be fair to say that there has been a presence of filth for a long time? Vexd/Toasty/Search and Destroy/Distance etc etc......

As the presence of filth as you call it became more and more popular it created a reaction against it which in turn has created some amazing music on both sides of the fence.

Surely it's the cycle of any underground edm scene/movement no? One side slagging off the other is not really a good look is it? It's all bass music at the end of the day.

Strength in unity no?

I wasn't slagging anything off? Surely I can say certain sounds ain't to my liking?

Vex'd and Distance I think certainly contributed to to the beginning of Brostep, but I think a lot of what their early sound was got misinterpreted. The majority of Distance tracks for example are built around these more laid back grooves, more hypnotic distorted synths and thythms than all out aggression. Toasty is a perfect example, he could use mid range growls and distortion and not let it be anywhere near the be all and end all, his grooves, his atmosphere, I can't think of a tune that he made that wasn't just all out dancefloor rave music.

interesting actually because this had made me think of what the key indentifier for me for these filth tracks that swamp the dubs forum and alike. I guess it's the reason why it's called Brostep as well, it's that thrash metal sound, the way the lead synths tend to match the rhythm (and sound more often than not) of chugging/thrash guitars. That was so popular with the bros the first/second/third time round. I think you can trace this sound in a lot of things, slowly emerging into what we have today.

I guess what I have issue with most is the term brostep and it's use as a venemous way of describing aspects of this music. It implies parties full of sweaty frat house guys which is about as far from the truth as you can get really. Sure the out and out wobblefests attract a young boisterous male element but your generalisation is lumping a lot of things into one box which is unjustified.

I pretty much like all forms of 140bpm bass music, from where I'm standing the scene is pretty healthy atm and I'm loving it, sure there are tons of tracks that either put me to sleep or hurt my ears but I don't think that's ever going to change. Unity will always be the best foot forward in my eyes.

[pompende]

hellfire quit talking like you don't know that the majority of people who enjoy tearout are party kids trolled up from the dnb, electro, and breaks scenes. I mean sure they aren't all fratboys but the ignorance, the posturing, the bad attitudes, and the moshpits are all very real.

you know as well as everyone else that you'd get a much different crowd for a show headlined by sukh night than you would for a night headlined by appleblim.

i'm all for keeping those groups of people together but theres not much intersection between the two anymore... the tune in question is more bland and predictable than wonder bread... fewer people get into the tearout stuff because they think its interesting or well produced while more people get into it because its talked about a lot and is easy to identify...

If your nights are as diverse as you make them out to be thats fucking great. Still doesn't make whitebread cookie cutter tunes any more interesting tho. And it doesn't change who they appeal to either.

[qwaycee_]

sukh night aint bad though

[pompende]

oh and im not against that sound at all. vex'd and distance, as mentioned, both did amazing albums in a style that clearly influenced the shit we're talking about now.

but thats exactly why i don't have any interest in the producers rehashing this style and blowing at it. (not calling out sukh...really only heard a handful of tunes.. but sorry the 'slang like this' beat is pure air...

[pulsar]

passed*

**past

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[prisoner]

big up pompende. speaking the truth.