school board meeting shooting

[2manynoobs]

banning guns to stop shootings would be like banning sex to stop the spread of aids

lol

[the acid never lies]

banning guns to stop shootings would be like banning sex to stop the spread of aids

Except not everybody has a "gun"

[2manynoobs]

strange comparison but he's right i spose

[dubloke]

you've completely missed the point of what he's saying. to use the old saying: guns don't kill people, people do. owning a gun doesn't necessarily have to make it any more likely to shoot someone than not owning one

I agree but how many times do you think someone has been in a fit of rage, had a gun in their house, shot someone after the "red mist" descends and then really regretted it after. if they didnt have a gun they probs wouldnt have killed anyone. and sure you can say they would have just grabbed a knife or a bat instead, but I think you stand a much freater chance of surviving against someone with a knife than someone with a gun

[helix]

you've completely missed the point of what he's saying. to use the old saying: guns don't kill people, people do. owning a gun doesn't necessarily have to make it any more likely to shoot someone than not owning one

I agree but how many times do you think someone has been in a fit of rage, had a gun in their house, shot someone after the "red mist" descends and then really regretted it after. if they didnt have a gun they probs wouldnt have killed anyone. and sure you can say they would have just grabbed a knife or a bat instead, but I think you stand a much freater chance of surviving against someone with a knife than someone with a gun

I've had rage issues in the past, and there were a ton of guns in my house at the time, and I never shot anybody.

[dubloke]

you've completely missed the point of what he's saying. to use the old saying: guns don't kill people, people do. owning a gun doesn't necessarily have to make it any more likely to shoot someone than not owning one

I agree but how many times do you think someone has been in a fit of rage, had a gun in their house, shot someone after the "red mist" descends and then really regretted it after. if they didnt have a gun they probs wouldnt have killed anyone. and sure you can say they would have just grabbed a knife or a bat instead, but I think you stand a much freater chance of surviving against someone with a knife than someone with a gun

I've had rage issues in the past, and there were a ton of guns in my house at the time, and I never shot anybody.

yeah but im sure there are people that have, not trying to say that everyone who has a gun and went into a rage would use it, but someone might go into a rage and kill someone because there was a gun there. If it was illegal to have a gun, the gun would not be there, and the other person would still be alive

edit: like the guy in the video for example. Looks like a pretty run of the mill kind of person, but he has a gun, because they are legal. In england it is very unlikely he would have a gun, as for a middle aged man whos wife works in a school I doubt he would know many people who could supply him with a gun. so he might have gone into the meeting with a knife instead, and not ended up dying

[BLAHBLAHJAH]

Guns don't kill people, bullets do

[hackman]

you've completely missed the point of what he's saying. to use the old saying: guns don't kill people, people do. owning a gun doesn't necessarily have to make it any more likely to shoot someone than not owning one

I agree but how many times do you think someone has been in a fit of rage, had a gun in their house, shot someone after the "red mist" descends and then really regretted it after. if they didnt have a gun they probs wouldnt have killed anyone. and sure you can say they would have just grabbed a knife or a bat instead, but I think you stand a much freater chance of surviving against someone with a knife than someone with a gun

I've had rage issues in the past, and there were a ton of guns in my house at the time, and I never shot anybody.

pussay

[AllNightDayDream]

he obs wasn't out to hurt anyone though...

This. He lets the old lady go, whereas a real motherfucker would've made an example somehow. Then he fires once, waits for everybody to crouch down then shoots the floor. No-brainer for me.

Studies have shown that the risk of getting shot and/or killed is increased if you own and/or carry a gun. It's pretty common sense. If the gun is there you're more likely to use it. Even when you're using it for self defense, it's going to escalate any situation into life or death. So yeah, guns kill people.

[collige]

he obs wasn't out to hurt anyone though...

This. He lets the old lady go, whereas a real motherfucker would've made an example somehow. Then he fires once, waits for everybody to crouch down then shoots the floor. No-brainer for me.

Studies have shown that the risk of getting shot and/or killed is increased if you own and/or carry a gun. It's pretty common sense. If the gun is there you're more likely to use it. Even when you're using it for self defense, it's going to escalate any situation into life or death. So yeah, guns kill people.

While it may be that the type of people who carry firearms are simply more likely to get shot, it may be that guns give a sense of empowerment that causes carriers to overreact in tense situations, or encourages them to visit neighbourhoods they probably shouldn't, Branas speculates. Supporters of the Second Amendment shouldn't worry that the right to bear arms is under threat, however. "We don't have an answer as to whether guns are protective or perilous," Branas says. "This study is a beginning."

Daniel Webster, co-director of the Johns Hopkins Center for Gun Policy and Research in Baltimore, Maryland, thinks it is near-sighted to consider only the safety of gun owners and not their communities. "It affects others a heck of a lot more," he says.

[AllNightDayDream]

Causation can almost never be certain, but the statistics speak for themselves.

[helix]

Does that study factor in accidents as getting shot/killed? Because (especially with handguns), no matter how cautious you are, accidents can and will happen.
Obviously you're more likely to accidentally hurt yourself with something you own than with something you don't own.

Also, I can't really take the English stance on weapons seriously, because I swear a few years back people were introducing legislation to ban kitchen knives with sharp points?

[dubloke]

Does that study factor in accidents as getting shot/killed? Because (especially with handguns), no matter how cautious you are, accidents can and will happen.
Obviously you're more likely to accidentally hurt yourself with something you own than with something you don't own.

Also, I can't really take the English stance on weapons seriously, because I swear a few years back people were introducing legislation to ban kitchen knives with sharp points?

that wasnt to stop stabbings, that was to stop people running with knives and hurting themselves. That same legislation covered scissors and pointed sticks

[helix]

Does that study factor in accidents as getting shot/killed? Because (especially with handguns), no matter how cautious you are, accidents can and will happen.
Obviously you're more likely to accidentally hurt yourself with something you own than with something you don't own.

Also, I can't really take the English stance on weapons seriously, because I swear a few years back people were introducing legislation to ban kitchen knives with sharp points?

that wasnt to stop stabbings, that was to stop people running with knives and hurting themselves. That same legislation covered scissors and pointed sticks

LOL

Edit: Seriously though, you're kidding... Right?

[th@-pu$$y]

you've completely missed the point of what he's saying. to use the old saying: guns don't kill people, people do. owning a gun doesn't necessarily have to make it any more likely to shoot someone than not owning one; but having the kind of mentality that it's acceptable to do so will. probably somewhere close to 100% of people worldwide own a sharp knife, but in some countries knife crime is a lot higher than it is in others and that's down to mentality, and other social conditions specific to that country

Also, While guns obviously Are tactically the best way of controlling ppl (You can keep out of reach of others and still deliver a deadly shot) Consider the possablity that if someone wishes to take life they will find a way. It obviously may happen less than with guns. It takes real grit to kill with your hands and may reduce body count. But what is to stop some crazy fuck from grabbing a machete and hacking a bunch of ppl up at some mall?

[dubloke]

Does that study factor in accidents as getting shot/killed? Because (especially with handguns), no matter how cautious you are, accidents can and will happen.
Obviously you're more likely to accidentally hurt yourself with something you own than with something you don't own.

Also, I can't really take the English stance on weapons seriously, because I swear a few years back people were introducing legislation to ban kitchen knives with sharp points?

that wasnt to stop stabbings, that was to stop people running with knives and hurting themselves. That same legislation covered scissors and pointed sticks

LOL

Edit: Seriously though, you're kidding... Right?

maybe