Bouncing/Resampling and Workflow - how do you approach it?

[gravity]

ok luckily i happened to have some of the bits laying about on my external hard disk, so i made a clip to show a bit of the progression. id give you the kontakt files but im pretty sure they dont exist any more. certainly not at my house anyway.

http://www.sendspace.com/file/m2b74m

so the first sound in the clip is the 808. we all know what that sounds like.

now the next 2 are variations on the first mangled 808. i cant remember which one i used to go to the next sound, probably the first. but they are both there anyway.

the next couple of sequences are a couple of resampled variations of the mangled 808.

the last bit is the whole bass phrase, including subs and some other noises i made either out of the 808 or some reese noise. i think i snuck a cheeky mentasm in there too.

[amphibian]

Just a had a listen... that is incredible. Especially that 1st stage... there' no kick anymore, just awesomeness.

You're a true audio scientist my friend!

[Gewze]

ok luckily i happened to have some of the bits laying about on my external hard disk, so i made a clip to show a bit of the progression. id give you the kontakt files but im pretty sure they dont exist any more. certainly not at my house anyway.

http://www.sendspace.com/file/m2b74m

so the first sound in the clip is the 808. we all know what that sounds like.

now the next 2 are variations on the first mangled 808. i cant remember which one i used to go to the next sound, probably the first. but they are both there anyway.

the next couple of sequences are a couple of resampled variations of the mangled 808.

the last bit is the whole bass phrase, including subs and some other noises i made either out of the 808 or some reese noise. i think i snuck a cheeky mentasm in there too.

that is actually nuts, i may have to give that a go. you have opened my eyes sir

[rhek]

Are you adding straight pure sine sub after?

This is one of the parts about re-sampling that gets me, getting the sub to follow the modulations and intricacies of the modulated mid range. To get the movement you have to fuck around with a lot of effects, surely this doesn't give you clean sub?

Def gonna have to try the 808 thing, i usually load mid range stuff ive made from my virus or random samples etc.

Another thing.. I do find it hard to create basslines without the distorted gnarly sounds there before I add my FX chains, I need to get the groove or the feel of the track before I start resampling, maybe thats just me ..either way its often a rather large ache in my balls.


EDIT: Gravity your tunes are sick :hugegrin

[amphibian]

Another thing.. I do find it hard to create basslines without the distorted gnarly sounds there before I add my FX chains, I need to get the groove or the feel of the track before I start resampling, maybe thats just me ..either way its often a rather large ache in my balls.

This!!!!!1ONE!!! This is my main concern and what I have trouble getting my head around. I am assuming it's just something you have to live with?

[rhek]

lol yup, this is my main problem! I just try to create the maddest synth patches to achieve the sounds I want. I go about it by mixing synth patches with Reese or Samples i've already created in other projects then molding them to fit around what im presently working on. Im pretty sure this is how most producers go about it.

I do often take audio snippets from basslines i've created and then re-arrange them to get better grooves etc. I know producers like DJ Madd and Riskotheque that use mainly audio and create there basslines by pitching each segment individualy just using the DAW features.

Im just one of those people that like to have complete control over my sounds at all time so re-sampling does put me off because im forever having to go back to synth patches, re-sample etc and just hoping what I do just fits somehow. For some producers making tunes seems more like a experimental jigsaw instead of knowing exactly what you want to do with each sound .

[gravity]

Are you adding straight pure sine sub after?

This is one of the parts about re-sampling that gets me, getting the sub to follow the modulations and intricacies of the modulated mid range. To get the movement you have to fuck around with a lot of effects, surely this doesn't give you clean sub?

Def gonna have to try the 808 thing, i usually load mid range stuff ive made from my virus or random samples etc.

Another thing.. I do find it hard to create basslines without the distorted gnarly sounds there before I add my FX chains, I need to get the groove or the feel of the track before I start resampling, maybe thats just me ..either way its often a rather large ache in my balls.


EDIT: Gravity your tunes are sick :hugegrin

well, a lowpassed square, but same difference really. the sub in that tune doesnt really follow the modulation as such, i just drew in a simple descending sub-line.

if you want it to follow the modulations and whatever then its probably an idea to split every bounce so that you have your mid and sub parts, and then treat them in a similar way. just avoid any band or high pass filtering on your sub bit. then when you wanna bounce again, bounce them together.

the beauty of resampling is you can pretty much start with anything. 808s work nicely because when you shove enough distortion on them they just turn into a big farty mess. which is what you want as a starting point really, a massive horrible noise. then you sculpt it as you want. but you can use almost anything i guess.

i dont normally work on the bass until i have an idea about what i want - although with resampling you very rarely get what you were planning, its a case of something cool will happen and then you run with it and compliment it. oddly enough i did the bass first with changa - one of the only times ive ever done that really. it was a challenge to myself after listening to noisia stuff to make some kinda twisty neuro-bass thing. the bass was probably done in about 4-8 hours in total (well, that bit anyway) however the rest of the tune took about a month, perhaps more. mainly because i started with ridiculous bass noises and couldnt think what the fuck to do with it for ages. so its probably not a good idea to start with your bass (i almost never do).

and cheers man! glad your feeling them

[X_S_]

I resample a good deal in my own synth creation, so maybe I can offer a different perspective.
it seems you are getting stuck on the process.. Rather than end result. Mangling and sound creation is a lot of fun.
But,I would think about what I want the song to do or say, and whether all this time is being used to get there. If you just like messing around , have fun with it. But don't get lost in plug in Land. Work on RESULTS.

[greggianopoulos001]

does anyone write there basses in a sequence like 8 bars or 16 bars then once its the rhythm you like just resample all of it at once ? or should i break it down and resample each seperate bass wobble/sound as i go?

[gravity]

does anyone write there basses in a sequence like 8 bars or 16 bars then once its the rhythm you like just resample all of it at once ? or should i break it down and resample each seperate bass wobble/sound as i go?

depends entirely on what you are working with.

if im resampling a longer bassline i might just dump it straight into audio and slice it up instead. this way i can reverse, timestretch and individually process chunks of it. but if im looking to do more hardcore processing then im probably less likely to do it.

i think i bounced 4 or 8 bars of bassline in lizard ( http://soundcloud.com/gravity-music/lizard ) and did this in the second half of the tune. although i think id already resampled a bunch of notes to get the main bassline anyway.

theres no rules though really, just experiment.

[ivi412c]

Are you adding straight pure sine sub after?

This is one of the parts about re-sampling that gets me, getting the sub to follow the modulations and intricacies of the modulated mid range. To get the movement you have to fuck around with a lot of effects, surely this doesn't give you clean sub?

Def gonna have to try the 808 thing, i usually load mid range stuff ive made from my virus or random samples etc.

Another thing.. I do find it hard to create basslines without the distorted gnarly sounds there before I add my FX chains, I need to get the groove or the feel of the track before I start resampling, maybe thats just me ..either way its often a rather large ache in my balls.


EDIT: Gravity your tunes are sick :hugegrin

for the subs ive tried sending the lower frequencies to another channel with an autofilter and an extreme lowpass...im sure there are better ways though...

[Ldizzy]

i really feel u on the wobbling before distortion thing... it changes the sound, really...

i always endup with those mega files labeled with bass names, which consist of one patch thru 24 busses... that i wish i could import drumlines into to sketch in basslines, then export, then take to contact..

thats why i never finish my stuff...

some of them sound crazy good tho..

[Astrobear]

I highly reccomend creating a session template that is pretty standard to what your sessions will normally look like so that you don't have to spend so much time sending up audio/auxillary channels, bussing, etc. Also once you get comfortable with this session template all your songs will look the same no matter how complex so you will be a lot more comfortable with the clutter of a complex track.

[Ldizzy]

I highly reccomend creating a session template that is pretty standard to what your sessions will normally look like so that you don't have to spend so much time sending up audio/auxillary channels, bussing, etc. Also once you get comfortable with this session template all your songs will look the same no matter how complex so you will be a lot more comfortable with the clutter of a complex track.

aight, good advice.. but its only remotely related to the issue here.. the question is how to make those very creative overtweaked resampled bits... and still be efficient.. the issue is with resampling, i cant easily go with a template, or formula.. u just.. experiment a heckload...

well at least thats what i c in it..

[jrisreal]

FM Synthesis.. You dont need much resampling cuz FM gets you sick sounds already.

[xrylex]

one solid approach to dealing with adding sub after resampling is really just doing the simple "add a sine wave when you are done" technique.

wait til you are happy with your mangled/resampled bassline sequence, then fire up massive or whatever you are using for your sinewave... then proceed to write your sub midi/automation following the resampled bassline sequence as a reference. if it wobbles on triplet 1/8 notes, make the sub wobble on triplet 1/8 notes, if it pitches down, make the sub pitch down. etc..

its definitely a bit of a time consuming process but not as bad as you think. doing it this way gives you all of your flexibility to go nuts on resampling, and you also get all of the power (and the consistency) of having a single clean sub for all of your basses.

if you load up one of your favorite tunes in your daw, and lowpass the shit out of it down to like 70-80hz you can pretty much just listen to the sub as if it was solo'ed... see what those tunes do. most of the tunes ive checked this way sound like its just a sub added in after resampling/processing the rest of the basses like the method i mentioned above.

[Ldizzy]

FM Synthesis.. You dont need much resampling cuz FM gets you sick sounds already.

overstatement. the question is about resampling vs WORKFLOW

im capitializing the shit cause i feel like the thread is drifting away towards another how to make bass thread... its not the point...

yes fm synth is the shit tho.

[jrisreal]

FM Synthesis.. You dont need much resampling cuz FM gets you sick sounds already.

overstatement. the question is about resampling vs WORKFLOW

im capitializing the shit cause i feel like the thread is drifting away towards another how to make bass thread... its not the point...

yes fm synth is the shit tho.

my point is that it requires alot less resampling to get sick sounds with FM, so that makes the workflow better.

[Mike145]

jrisreal, which FM synth are you using?

[Ldizzy]

FM and resampling are two very different things.

yes fm does sick things.