Let me just get something straight about DAWs

[lyons238]

reason is a daw to me and reason and record together is an even better daw to me. i dont give a fuck if propellerhead doesn't want to label it as a daw.

but record by itself, i would not consider a daw.

for fucks sake quit arguing, who the fuck cares as long as you can make music with it, its a fucking daw.

[Grime Syndicate]

Factors to consider: stability, quality of native instruments and effects, 3rd party integration (VST, VSTi, RTAs, Whateva), does the interface and workflow suit you and your style, how is the releasing company's customer support, how much do you wanna spend. These are the relevant questions... And for the record (pun intended) Propellerhead software can't and won't integrate any third party software, soooo, yeah. But less choices isn't always a bad thing, cuz I'm certain we've all been inundated, at one point or another, with a smorgasbord of equally good, just different, choices when it comes to synths and effects. Pick something and go with it. For the record tho, Ableton Live Suite is the bee's knees.

[buttock]

the question wether reason is a daw or not is the best thing to discuss, regarding computer based music production. Either you can show of your professional knowledge about the definition of a "daw", or you can be the cool dude, who "doesm't give a crap about the industry, marketing and stuff".
A win win situation.

[-[2]DAY_-]

hehe this... but i mean,

as long as you can make music with it, its a fucking daw.

My guitar ain't a DAW.
Reason is like a big vst.

[hifi]

The interface is very subjective and imo it's all that matters but regarding native plug-ins Logic probably has the best quality set.

This is what I found. It has some quality synths, a really decent sampler and really great effects.

Just as a plug against Ableton, I gave it a shot. I used the demo for a month and figured that maybe I was just too stupid to figure it out quickly enough, so I went ahead and got Ableton Live. I figured there'd at least be a synth or two I could use, but that wasn't the case, Suite is the only thing with included synths (and for that price, you can get Logic). C'est la vie, I figured I'd use some freeware and order Komplete. After another 2 months of using Ableton I just couldn't enjoy it for what it was. Some people think that way, some people don't. I think linearly so I moved to Logic and never looked back.

I say you can be a big producer by just using Logic alone. even Logic Express...well maybe

[zawmbee]

Factors to consider: stability, quality of native instruments and effects, 3rd party integration (VST, VSTi, RTAs, Whateva), does the interface and workflow suit you and your style, how is the releasing company's customer support, how much do you wanna spend. These are the relevant questions... And for the record (pun intended) Propellerhead software can't and won't integrate any third party software, soooo, yeah. But less choices isn't always a bad thing, cuz I'm certain we've all been inundated, at one point or another, with a smorgasbord of equally good, just different, choices when it comes to synths and effects. Pick something and go with it. For the record tho, Ableton Live Suite is the bee's knees.

Cheers lads, I appreciate the constructive feedback received and have come to the conclusion that I will just stick with Ableton and see how that plays out. As I do love the interface and have become accustomed to production abilities, I'll have a good play around; it has only been like 4 weeks anyway. I shouldn't be too picky.

The reason I shied away from Ableton is because I thought it was heavily centered around live performances and its high ability to preform live, but since I had no desire to preform live I thought the attention given to the live preforming aspect would hinder the producing elements. How wrong was I.

Cheers again.

[Susceptor]

Each DAW / Music Creation Software has its own flavors. Some are good, some are bad.
Examples:

* PT - only software that can run TDM (duh, they developed them), doesn't use internal FP math, can internally clip
* PT, Cubase, Nuendo - requires dongle to be able to run it
* Ableton Live, Sonar - Session / Matrix view
* Ableton Live - really versatile live instrument
* FL Studio - custom plugin architecture that is way better than VST, different way of working with patterns / sequences / recording
* Reaper - routing matrix
* FL Studio, Reaper - can natively use audio signals to modulate any parameter available
* EnergyXT, Tracktion - built-in modular approach

These are just some properties that I find (or think, I may be wrong) unique to some specific DAWs; it's not a thorough list, just what I could come up with at the moment.

[filthy_]

you can have the DAW jesus and charlie sheen use but if you cant produce for shit than it does you no good.

[hifi]

reason is a daw to me and reason and record together is an even better daw to me. i dont give a fuck if propellerhead doesn't want to label it as a daw.

but record by itself, i would not consider a daw.

for fucks sake quit arguing, who the fuck cares as long as you can make music with it, its a fucking daw.

something digital that is an audio workstation is a digital audio workstation AKA D.A.W.

[legend4ry]

Each DAW / Music Creation Software has its own flavors. Some are good, some are bad.
Examples:

* PT - only software that can run TDM (duh, they developed them), doesn't use internal FP math, can internally clip
* PT, Cubase, Nuendo - requires dongle to be able to run it
* Ableton Live, Sonar - Session / Matrix view
* Ableton Live - really versatile live instrument
* FL Studio - custom plugin architecture that is way better than VST, different way of working with patterns / sequences / recording
* Reaper - routing matrix
* FL Studio, Reaper - can natively use audio signals to modulate any parameter available
* EnergyXT, Tracktion - built-in modular approach

These are just some properties that I find (or think, I may be wrong) unique to some specific DAWs; it's not a thorough list, just what I could come up with at the moment.

This...

The market is so diverse we have around 10-12 DAWs to choose from (including pc and mac only ones) these days and they all let you do the same thing which is let you make music but they all work differently so depending on your work flow and how you approach things depends on whats right for you..


Saying that, if you're on a mac - Logic is properly the best bang for buck as all the stuff it comes with, the great native synths,samplers and effects... When you go into Windows world its a lot more hazy.

[nowaysj]

Don't forget that Live is on mac too. ^

[legend4ry]

^

Quite aware but from what ive used of both, I personally thing logic is a better overall package to create music on - while live offers more experimental approaches.

[deadly_habit]

so is renoise and cubase and...
logic is pretty much the only OS dependent DAW which is pretty gay especially since they pretty much shit on their original pc user base

[nowaysj]

experimental approaches.

If you're not doing this, what is the point?

logic is pretty much the only OS dependent DAW

Fl Studio

pretty much shit on their original pc user base

Will never forgive them for that. $700 for 4.0 and it BARELY worked. Never to forgive, never to forget.

[deadly_habit]

fl can be ran on macs using bootcamp
another reason to hate apple, they pride themselves on the whole run windows apps as well etc, but with most of their updates they try to phase out hackintosh compatibility

[tintala]

Reason may not be a DAW, but RECORD is! it also has the SSL which can really add some sass to your tracks... I used cubase forever i couldt tell it's head from its ass.. seroiusly , that a was a very diffucult DAW to learn, but RECORD, is so intuitive. easy and they have plenty of videos to get you mastered. I only have experience with cubase sx and record, but I can tell you , HUUUUUUGE UNIVERSE of a difference in learning curve........ i had cubase for ten years, and couldnt do shit.

Anyway, keep in mind that you will have to learn the DAW and see what resources are available for you to master the software, i like propellerhead due to it's ease of use,

also there is MACPRO video to help you learn whatever daw............ pick one and stick with it.

[nowaysj]

fl can be ran on macs using bootcamp

Not really a mac, imo. The only thing that a mac really is anymore is the os.

And digital performer is mac only too.

[deadly_habit]

Reason may not be a DAW, but RECORD is! it also has the SSL which can really add some sass to your tracks... I used cubase forever i couldt tell it's head from its ass.. seroiusly , that a was a very diffucult DAW to learn, but RECORD, is so intuitive. easy and they have plenty of videos to get you mastered. I only have experience with cubase sx and record, but I can tell you , HUUUUUUGE UNIVERSE of a difference in learning curve........ i had cubase for ten years, and couldnt do shit.

Anyway, keep in mind that you will have to learn the DAW and see what resources are available for you to master the software, i like propellerhead due to it's ease of use,

also there is MACPRO video to help you learn whatever daw............ pick one and stick with it.

so in ten years you never picked up the manual...

[youthful_implants]

I would always recommend Ableton. Super intuitive, really easy to learn, massively creative DAW, ideal for loop-based music.

Everything else is not as fun, not for me anyway.