Syncing LFO Speed In Automation Clips [FL Studio]

[RandoRando]

Grooki, thank you for that. Ill go try it now and for the record im not a lazy mofo! I have no idea what the thread is called to search for it, and there is no "see threads users has started in your profile! lol

oh and can you either link me to the thread, or talk more about harder the velocity can automate a filter. like you said opening a filter the harder i strike a key.

idk why you guys are goin thru the trouble of setting up controllers and crap when you could be spending less time yet having more control over your wobble by edit events or automation clips

Cause for basic automation the Keyboard controller sounds very easy and beneficial to workflow, dont get me wrong i use events all the time for unsycned LFOs. But if its already synced in my massive, id rather just draw notes in a piano roll, rather than draw in the event editor.

[jrisreal]

idk why you guys are goin thru the trouble of setting up controllers and crap when you could be spending less time yet having more control over your wobble by edit events or automation clips

This sounds a bit foolish to me. Have you actually tried the technique outlined above? Once you know how to do what I'm talking about, using edit events for wobbles is wasting time, less flexibility, less creative space.

I don't see it a a waste of time...I can kick out wobbles pretty quick usig my method. It's fine by me that you have your methods, but it just seems like much more trouble to me...and it feels more flexible to use the edit events because you control everything like lfo level, speed, range, shape, etc all at one time and can shape the wobble exactly how you want. Just my preferred method

[grooki]

idk why you guys are goin thru the trouble of setting up controllers and crap when you could be spending less time yet having more control over your wobble by edit events or automation clips

This sounds a bit foolish to me. Have you actually tried the technique outlined above? Once you know how to do what I'm talking about, using edit events for wobbles is wasting time, less flexibility, less creative space.

I don't see it a a waste of time...I can kick out wobbles pretty quick usig my method. It's fine by me that you have your methods, but it just seems like much more trouble to me...and it feels more flexible to use the edit events because you control everything like lfo level, speed, range, shape, etc all at one time and can shape the wobble exactly how you want. Just my preferred method

You can make as many envelopes as you like determining "lfo level, speed, range, shape, etc" can be created with the envelope controller, with MORE control than is available in edit events or automaton. Eg you can make specific wobble sequence that takes a whole bar, but if you like can retrigger that wobble sequence, or cut it short, just by choosing how long your midi note is. You can make 10 different wobble sequences and jump between them exactly as you like without having to carefully snip your "edit events" patterns and rearrange them in the playlist, all you do is choose different midi notes in the piano roll. This is just one example.

If edit events is your preferred method then that is great, but there are significant advantages in taking a short amount of time to set up a controller.

Grooki, thank you for that. Ill go try it now and for the record im not a lazy mofo! I have no idea what the thread is called to search for it, and there is no "see threads users has started in your profile! lol

oh and can you either link me to the thread, or talk more about harder the velocity can automate a filter. like you said opening a filter the harder i strike a key.

I've closed the thread window now, but that was all there was in it. I think noways knows how to link a velocity to a parameter, but I can't remember exactly how to do that right now. I can take a look probably at the weekend for you though, remind me!

[Basic A]

1 step = 15%
2 = 23%
4 = 31%
8 = 41%
16 = 50%
32 = 60%

Easy as that, fuck hand drawing lfo's, that must take you literally years...

nope...does take a little bit longer, but it can make it sound much better. you can make it lfo whatever shape you want like go from sine to triangle to ramp to saw to square or whatever unlike just automating the speed of a sine lfo.

Speeds printed above + love philter + automate the lfo-shape knobs too = most control your ever going to get.

[jrisreal]

most control your ever going to get.

I don't see it as that, but I'm cool with you guys having your opinions...has different effects and what makes artists unique is by doing things differently from eachother

[.onelove.]

1 step = 15%
2 = 23%
4 = 31%
8 = 41%
16 = 50%
32 = 60%

Easy as that, fuck hand drawing lfo's, that must take you literally years...

nope...does take a little bit longer, but it can make it sound much better. you can make it lfo whatever shape you want like go from sine to triangle to ramp to saw to square or whatever unlike just automating the speed of a sine lfo.

Speeds printed above + love philter + automate the lfo-shape knobs too = most control your ever going to get.

What's love philter and how is it better than an automation clip controlling the exact VST knob itself?

Thanks for the replies btw

[RandoRando]

^^^ the love philter is part of FL. its like a complex delay/filter FX module. but i dont understand how i could control an LFO rate like basic A said.

[DarkTussin]

grooki wrote:
This could be used for a whole lot of different things, not just to link LFO rates to keys... One thing which I am excited about is different filter values depending on the note being played. I love all this link up stuff which makes compositions as a whole more dynamic because everything feeds off something else. Like sidechaining pads to percs and stuff... anyway here it is for LFO rate, but could be whatever:
This looks complicated, but trust me it's f*ckin easy.


1. Load your synth/patch that you want to wobble.
2. Load a FL keyboard controller (from the channel menu).
3. Find the Speed parameter of the LFO. So this depends on the LFO you're using. You could be using the built in LFO in the 3xOsc or a sampler channel, or you might have hooked up a filter to the PeakController LFO (for much more control over the sounds, since this LFO can be implimented after fx have been added). If you don't know how to do this, it's something else you should learn.
4. Right click and click "link to controller".
5. Under "internal controllers" choose "note" of the Keybboard controller. You could use velocity for other things but not now (THis would awesome if you like playing your parts, like as your playing the lead melody the filter opens up the harder you play or something).
6.Click Accept.

7. Now click on the keyboard controller (KC). See it is set at C5 and has a knob next to it? When C5 is played on the KC no sound will come out, but whatever is hooked up to the KC (the LFO speed) will take the position/value of that knob.
8. Choose the next key on the (upper) keyboard, say the next white key D. Choose a different LFO speed for D by choosing it on the knob.

9. Now in the piano role for the KC, have it always playing either C or D
10. Write some notes into the Synth/sample that you are using.
11. Press play.
12. Brock out.

You could layer the KC and the synth too so that it automatically changes the wobble depending on what note the B line is on too.

I hope I'm not necroing a really old thread or anything, this is one of my first times posting on here but after reading this I'll be here a lot more often this is SO USEFUL and for those of you saying you use automation clips, or cloning your massive instruments with different lfo rates, you should really look into this. I haven't actually tried it yet but I just spend about 20 minutes trying to figure out how to do this in the envelope controller. The way native FL studio instruments deal with their lfo speeds is ridiculously retarded. I copied the exact value i wanted the speed to be into FL Envelope controller and tried playing it and the values were SLIGHTLY off by like 1% and I couldn't get them perfect. If this works the way it looks like it works, this basically means you can setup a native fl instrument (i've been playing with IL Harmor which is AMAZING) to jump to tempo synced lfo speeds EASILY instead of copying and pasting a million values into an automation clip that really does take FOREVER to draw in. Yes you can draw in Piano Roll automation controller as well but you can't even paste values there so it will literally take forever. Once you set up FL Keyboard controller with the values you have, you can (i'm assuming) just paint in the note corresponding to the speed you want at the part you want and that's it. This is 100 times faster than drawing, and saves a ton of memory instead of having 10 instances of massive loaded for 1 sound, and would allow you to modulate while playing a single note (if you have an instrument that changes throughout the note). Thank you so much for this post, big thumbs up!

EDIT: I JUST TRIED IT WORKS LIKE A CHARM!!! THANK YOU SO MUCH!

[elyhess]

Just make a bunch of samples each 4 bars long and just change the LFO speed for each one, makes it a whole lot easier

[Jas0n]

Hay Grooki ... thanks for completely revolutionizing my workflow. I mean ... damn.

[ShapeSHIFT]

I used to do what israel does, it's goooood. Without a doubt, the most control over the wobble. But if you make a template you like once then save the state file you can test out different wobble rates etc VERY quickly on a bassline. Big ups Grooki