are we living in a william gibson novel?

parson · Post by **parson** » Thu May 03, 2007 4:55 pm

tron predates neuromancer btw

disney is as responsible for cyberpunk as gibson

parson · Post by **parson** » Thu May 03, 2007 4:57 pm

ekstrak wrote:
William Gibson | Neuromancer wrote: The counters that fronted the booths displayed hundreds of slivers of microsoft, angular fragments of colored silicon mounted under oblong transparent bubbles on squares of white cardboard ... Behind one counter a boy with a shaven head stared vacantly into space, a dozen spikes of microsoft protruding from the socket behind his ear.
Mate.. i fucking *wish* we were living in more Gibson-esque times.. roll out the bioware implants dammit !

thats the panther modern description isn't it

damn its been well over 10 years since i last read it

drgk · Post by **drgk** » Thu May 03, 2007 5:02 pm

Parson wrote:tron predates neuromancer btw

disney is as responsible for cyberpunk as gibson :)

yes and no, the idea behind tron was more like that cartoon "Reboot", where programs are personified by cute little characters who "live" inside the computer. the hero is brought into the computer by laser beam that digitizes him and beams him physically into the computer. visually, yes, it may have even inspired gibson, but not from a technology standpoint. i just watched tron the other day, good flic.

good point tho.

parson · Post by **parson** » Thu May 03, 2007 5:08 pm

both stories have humans living inside the matrix

i don't think gibson was too inspired by tron, as cyberpunk like writing existed before both of them

two oh one · Post by **two oh one** » Thu May 03, 2007 5:13 pm

No, it's more of a Huxley or Orwell.

drgk · Post by **drgk** » Thu May 03, 2007 5:13 pm

Parson wrote:both stories have humans living inside the matrix

i don't think gibson was too inspired by tron, as cyberpunk like writing existed before both of them

mmmm...he had people who had transferred their consciousness into ai programs in the matrix. but tron portrayed the inhabitants as living creatures, who had girlfriends, bosses, etc...beyond a virtual representation as humans, they were individuals. i guess you could say AI, but they were not aware of themselves as such, they worship the "users" and whatnot.

in gibsons matrix, i imagine, a program might look like a person, but it's purpose would be utilitarian, it wouldn't unwind at the end of the day by going to the game world.

maybe i'm reading it wrong, but when i watched tron the other day i kept wishing they had made the human's entry into the matrix more of an interface, rather than "beaming him" into the computer. it would have made the movie less dated.

drgk · Post by **drgk** » Thu May 03, 2007 5:16 pm

two oh one wrote:No, it's more of a Huxley or Orwell.

i'm a paranoid wierdo, so i wish i could agree. but if you've been to a dubstep show lately you know that luckily our world isn't THAT dark yet. i always though gibson's world was dangerous enough to be interesting without being so opressive and spirit crushing as orwell's world.

however the powers that be DO WANT TO SHUT US THE FUCK DOWN. so keep it real.

parson · Post by **parson** » Thu May 03, 2007 5:38 pm

most of the programs in tron were artificial except for tron's buddy jeff bridges who was a real human

i don't see how the beaming vs jacking in thing is such a big difference to you

doomstep · Post by **doomstep** » Thu May 03, 2007 5:46 pm

fukin Kafka more like.......

parson · Post by **parson** » Thu May 03, 2007 6:01 pm

drgk · Post by **drgk** » Thu May 03, 2007 7:01 pm

speaking of, i found a giant cockroach in my bathroom the other day.

i am not a dirt ball. i vacuum twice a week, wtf!

parson · Post by **parson** » Thu May 03, 2007 7:02 pm

did you see that cockroach mound in the cave on planet earth on discovery?

drgk · Post by **drgk** » Thu May 03, 2007 7:07 pm

Parson wrote:did you see that cockroach mound in the cave on planet earth on discovery?

no....explain?

two oh one · Post by **two oh one** » Thu May 03, 2007 7:07 pm

Not a cockroach, but, big enough to startle.

drgk · Post by **drgk** » Thu May 03, 2007 7:11 pm

two oh one wrote: Not a cockroach, but, big enough to startle.

fuck, you find that in your house?

drgk · Post by **drgk** » Thu May 03, 2007 7:11 pm

man, we're getting off topic. HELP ME DORK OUT!

parson · Post by **parson** » Thu May 03, 2007 7:15 pm

they found a 300 foot tall pile of guano that was covered with a moving surface of roaches

drgk · Post by **drgk** » Thu May 03, 2007 7:52 pm

Parson wrote:they found a 300 foot tall pile of guano that was covered with a moving surface of roaches

i'm not used to this west coast shit, everyone here is like "big deal". back east cockroaches were fucking impossible to get rid of if you got them and they took over everything, not something you could ignore. i hope that these roaches are different and it's not just that everyone out here is a dirt ball, although some of my neighbors are borderline.

drgk · Post by **drgk** » Thu May 03, 2007 7:56 pm

ahem. back to the poll...looks like the gibbies are winning so far. oh shit i just invoked the uncertainty principle and altered the outcome by observing it.

subframe · Post by **subframe** » Thu May 03, 2007 8:45 pm

we really need a derelict orbiting dubspacestation

are we living in a william gibson novel?

do you feel like you're living in a william gibson novel lately?

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