Mala - "Its getting harder and harder to play dubplates..."

[the wiggle baron]

I dont mean "you dont get it" in a condescending way. I just literally mean that if vinyl doesnt have any sentimental value to you, then youre never going to get the "vinyl side" of this argument. Im well aware that digital formats are the future, but as many people do, I love collecting physical format music for so many reasons. Sound quality being the least of them to me really! When I first got turntables, my dad gave me old crates funk/disco/soul records from when he used to run a mobile disco thing with a few of his mates when he was my age. I cant express how much I enjoy owning these records, with no reasons based on practicality! Having everything from his name on to old bpm stickers he used to work out what he could mix add something that you cant really compare to how much room they take up etc!

If clubs keep letting the vinyl side of DJing slip, people will (understandably) move away from vinyl (youngsta being the perfect example) which will undermine one of the biggest legs vinyl releases currently have to stand on! I will happily keep living in a smaller and smaller portion of my room to keep the sentimentality that comes with vinyl alive. Can you imagine handing your kids a hard drive full of tunes you used to like? Incredibly weak in my opinion, but if you dont think so, its due to a lack of the sentimentality that I was saying you "just dont get"!

[the lone raver]

the vhs vs dvd analogy is false. it's not just about sound quality, it's about culture.

[south3rn]

Are CDR's and memory sticks recyclable once they become useless?

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

and the computer you're using to search this completely "optional" website?

[wilson]

I can't vouch for other people of course but I'll be damned if my collection ends up in a landfill. To be honest the focal point of the vinyl vs MP3/CD's should not be how recyclable each format is. I separate the plastics and glass for the bin men every week, am doing my bit for the environment

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[south3rn]

don't you think it's kind of arrogant that you believe you're entitled to children? an easy way to curb waste is to curb population (or at least population growth)

[the wiggle baron]

Safe vax, good old text based discussions
I like to think kids of mine would dig (at least a small %) of this music as much as I did! Not trying to say my dads collection was solid gold...faaaaar from it lol But ive got a good couple hundred favourites picked out from trauling through them for years, and theyre prized possessions



Dont get to stumble on record sleeves like that on a hard drive either lol Nearly killed a mate of mine and me when I first found it...

Oh, and not to get back into it again, ive got to head out, but I dont like the VHS/DVD analogy as its comparing 2 different physical formats to a digital and a physical. Whether you have a VHS or a DVD collection, you still have a physical copy to hold, whereas digital downloads are just an image on a screen!

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[wolf89]

My apologies then, for interpreting what you said as accusatory.

Truth be told, though, if I was to hand some records to my kids 20 years from now, they'd most likely say "What is this thing? I can't play this." They'll probably say the same thing if present with a hard drive. "Isn't this stuff on the cloud somewhere? Why do I need this thing?"

I don't want to listen to my parents' REO Speedwagon & Journey records because I think that music fucking sucks.

That's a shame. Some of my favourite albums of all time are ones that used to be my dads before he died that I've now claimed. It's a nice thought to think that i'm hanging out with mates listening to his records the same we him and his mates would have been when they were my age.

I'm gonna keep collecting vinyl till i die regardless of djing anyway and i would be incredibly happy to think someone was listening to my collection when I die.

It does also happen to be nicer to mix on and listen to.

[the lone raver]

the vhs vs dvd analogy is false. it's not just about sound quality, it's about culture.

Just like there's cultures based around gas-guzzling ancient cars. Some people view them with reverance as works of art while others view them as wasteful & inefficient outdated utilities.

I see where you're coming from with the environmental issue, but to compare the cost to the environment of vinyl with that of the automobile is pure hyperbole.

[_boring]

My uncle's blues record collection includes 100 year old records. Vinyl sticks about a long time. Mp3s just get deleted or lost when moving computers. No-one will be able to find mp3s lurking in second hand stores or in peoples attics in years to come

well surely this is just one aspect to life

[wolf89]

the vhs vs dvd analogy is false. it's not just about sound quality, it's about culture.

Just like there's cultures based around gas-guzzling ancient cars. Some people view them with reverance as works of art while others view them as wasteful & inefficient outdated utilities.

I see where you're coming from with the environmental issue, but to compare the cost to the environment of vinyl with that of the automobile is pure hyperbole.

The point he was making though is some people might prefer the gas guzzling unreliable classic car to some small eco friendly thing

Basicaly just cause something is more sensible and up to date doesn't mean you want to do it.

I mean I intend to buy an old mustang within the next couple years. Buying some shitty little smart car might make more sense but I don't give a fuck

I'm gonna buy vinyl too. It's more expensive, out dated and can potentially more often go wrong in a club. But like the mustang I would much rather own it.

[Mr Hyde]

the vhs vs dvd analogy is false. it's not just about sound quality, it's about culture.

Yeah, more like books vs kindle....there is always going to be a place for books.

But, I doubt vinyl culture will stay about in the same way- technology has caught up enough that hardly any big DJs use it now, will be more of a collectors thing- like having a bookshelf.

Is a shame, I've spent 1000's of hours in record shops, arguably you wouldn't have music like dubstep becoming a 'scene' without focal points like Big Apple.

[garethom]

Basicaly just cause something is more sensible and up to date doesn't mean you want to do it.

Exactly this. I have an immense digital collection, but I also buy vinyl. To me, it's more fun to mix with, I have some sick tracks that aren't released digitally. It might be more convenient etc. to just have digital, but I'm looking to enjoy music, not just have it for convenience. I'm just as happy to have 4 fat shelves full of records in my bedroom as I am to have an external hard-drive regularly backed up with my music. Also, in the unlikely event that I ever have kids, I want them to be dropping Hyph-Mngo in 20 years time.

[arktrix45hz]

Are CDR's and memory sticks recyclable once they become useless?

To a degree, yes. Reusable metals can be extracted from circuitry, and the shells can be produced with recyclable plastics. It's up to the manufacturer to use these materials, and the consumer to be aware of them when purchasing. CDs, sadly, are not recyclable, so going with flash media is a good step in the right direction.

http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2006/04/10/ewaste

[Be-1ne]

This whole discussion basically boils down to this.

Mans job is playing records. You hire man to play records, but don't provide him with the machinery to do his job.

what does this tell you?

It basically say's you have a promoter who doesn't have a clue how to put a night on and meet the demands of someone he is not only paying to do a specific job. But you've also got a promoter who is taking money off people who want to see a man do his job but are basically being ripped off due to a promoter not fulfilling his end of the contractual bargain.


fuck the vinyl verses cd debate its pointless each to their own agree to disagree. What everyone misses the point of in these arguments is, there are to many shit promoters who are making money off of artists they book to play a night then make the artists look amateur by not providing them with the tools to perform.

my 2peneth.

[abs]

the only kind of solution i could see to help mala in these situations is to get on some social networking site and ask anyone in the city if they can bring some decks and a mixer, guarantee there'll a large amount of people wanting to lend mala their stuff for a night.

[NickUndercover]

This whole discussion basically boils down to this.

Mans job is playing records. You hire man to play records, but don't provide him with the machinery to do his job.

what does this tell you?

It basically say's you have a promoter who doesn't have a clue how to put a night on and meet the demands of someone he is not only paying to do a specific job. But you've also got a promoter who is taking money off people who want to see a man do his job but are basically being ripped off due to a promoter not fulfilling his end of the contractual bargain.


fuck the vinyl verses cd debate its pointless each to their own agree to disagree. What everyone misses the point of in these arguments is, there are to many shit promoters who are making money off of artists they book to play a night then make the artists look amateur by not providing them with the tools to perform.

my 2peneth.

Amen to that dear sir

[NRHc]

the vhs vs dvd analogy is false. it's not just about sound quality, it's about culture.

Just like there's cultures based around gas-guzzling ancient cars. Some people view them with reverance as works of art while others view them as wasteful & inefficient outdated utilities.

I see where you're coming from with the environmental issue, but to compare the cost to the environment of vinyl with that of the automobile is pure hyperbole.

The point he was making though is some people might prefer the gas guzzling unreliable classic car to some small eco friendly thing

Basicaly just cause something is more sensible and up to date doesn't mean you want to do it.

I mean I intend to buy an old mustang within the next couple years. Buying some shitty little smart car might make more sense but I don't give a fuck

I'm gonna buy vinyl too. It's more expensive, out dated andpre can go wrong in a club. But like the mustang I would much rather own it.

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