Ron Paul running for president

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also there's these gems where Ron Paul makes blatantly racist comments and then pulls the infamous "it wasn't me" line.

http://newsone.com/nation/casey-gane-mc ... -revealed/

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Like those newsletters were probably from a "White perspective", both targetting demographics.
I remember when those came out and it was filled with speculation. Every president/politician has had some pretty nasty friends in their time, so I wouldn't expect him to be different in that respect, though I don't remember anything going past speculation.

If some racist remarks showed up on Sarah Palins letterhead would you give her the same benefit of the doubt? Donald Trump? Any other southern white 'republican' ? probably not.

Ron Paul has everyone fooled. He disguises his business as usual horse shit politician agenda with a few off the beaten path ideas. It's rather intelligent as a politician as most voters don't look at important things like how his district has been run. He's not that radical, he's not that crazy. He knows certain ideas would never pass in the house or senate so he champions them so he can be the anti-whatever. Enemy of my enemy is my friend. People unhappy with government gravitate to him because he plays the unhappy politician.

If he gave 2 shits about the good of the american people he'd start with his own district. he hasnt because he doesnt.

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http://newsone.com/nation/casey-gane-mc ... -revealed/

...wat

[pkay]

http://newsone.com/nation/casey-gane-mc ... -revealed/

...wat

basically some very racist comments showed up in the past from Ron Pauls camp on Ron Pauls letterhead salutated by Ron Paul. He's since denied saying he didnt write them but they were written long before his presidential campaign. So think of it what you may.

I linked that specific link because it showed the actual letters.

I'm not gonna insult anyone by linking a bunch of different sites. You guys are all capable of googling "Ron Paul Racist" and reading up on the varying opinions and making your own educated decisions on the matter. This has been widely reported and the only reason it wasn't brought out in any length was because no one takes Ron Paul seriously. If he started polling well, I'm sure someone would obliterate him with it in a heartbeat.

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If some racist remarks showed up on Sarah Palins letterhead would you give her the same benefit of the doubt? Donald Trump? Any other southern white 'republican' ? probably not.

This has been repeatedly proven false. Ron Paul's name was attached to newsletters without his permission.

Ron Paul has everyone fooled. He disguises his business as usual horse shit politician agenda with a few off the beaten path ideas. It's rather intelligent as a politician as most voters don't look at important things like how his district has been run. He's not that radical, he's not that crazy. He knows certain ideas would never pass in the house or senate so he champions them so he can be the anti-whatever. Enemy of my enemy is my friend. People unhappy with government gravitate to him because he plays the unhappy politician.

If he gave 2 shits about the good of the american people he'd start with his own district. he hasnt because he doesnt.

What in the fuck are you talking about? His district approval rating was 84% in 2010.

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If some racist remarks showed up on Sarah Palins letterhead would you give her the same benefit of the doubt? Donald Trump? Any other southern white 'republican' ? probably not.

Ron Paul has everyone fooled. He disguises his business as usual horse shit politician agenda with a few off the beaten path ideas. It's rather intelligent as a politician as most voters don't look at important things like how his district has been run. He's not that radical, he's not that crazy. He knows certain ideas would never pass in the house or senate so he champions them so he can be the anti-whatever. Enemy of my enemy is my friend. People unhappy with government gravitate to him because he plays the unhappy politician.

If he gave 2 shits about the good of the american people he'd start with his own district. he hasnt because he doesnt.

Some of the stuff Palin and Trump has said has been called racist, or at least claimed of having racial undertones. From all the stuff I've seen them say over the years, I don't really take them seriously to be honest, but I do recognise Palin actually stands a chance to at least get some serious numbers. Though they are called republicans they are usually at odds with most things traditionally republican, and neocons have pretty much stolen that whole party the last couple of decades. I don't pay much attention to political party affiliations, rather their individual stances and proposals. Paul calls himself republican now, but he has ran for president as a libertarian before. As you said though, most of them can talk the talk but it's rare any of them actually stick with it.

I don't really consider myself a Paul supporter, and honestly there isn't a politician I much like, but I do like a lot of what he talks about in regards to military/government intervention, and it's definitely nice to see him pissing off the corporate right in debates and talks. He's kind of a shit-stirrer which I think is always needed. You're right he's not really that radical though, at least when it comes to more "realistic" bills/changes.

What do you mean exactly about the district though, last year I remember he was well liked in the district with a high approval rating.

Not related but here's some interesting comments on Paul from Chomsky (links in comments): http://anarchismtoday.org/News/article/sid=74.html

[pkay]

I know magic

If a Unicorn came out of the sky riding on a tank I would show the world i know magic despite the cost to me on a personal level. Until then, I have to keep my magic under wraps for fear it may scare others and would me put in a position where I could not defend you from Unicorns on Tanks.

That is Ron Paul

He makes claims on changes he know he'll never be in the position to make. Even if he was president the changes he speaks of would never pass so he'll never be in the position to make that decision. The president cant dissolve the federal reserve. It will never pass the house or senate so he can claim whatever he wants his decision will be nothing more than an empty promise.

He can claim he knows magic, but there will never be a Unicorn riding a tank.

As far as approval ratings, as a representative you don't just represent those who are vocal, you represent everyone in your district. Including a large amount of minorities and undocumented workers (fairly vital to the coastal region in the gulf). Regardless, places like Victoria that are 50% hispanic are in bad shape. But League City is a shining beacon of southern white living so life goes on.

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He can claim he knows magic, but there will never be a Unicorn riding a tank.

Yeah, because of people like you.

[pkay]

He can claim he knows magic, but there will never be a Unicorn riding a tank.

Yeah, because of people like you.

All part of the magical cycle of politicians. Believe in me, forsake all others, everyone else is the cause of the problems, YOU MY FRIEND ARE ENLIGHTENED! PS BUY MY NEW BOOK!

Ron Paul, much like other unelectable politicians, make outlandish claims because they know they don't stand a chance of getting elected. They take the chance to undermine other candidates, make it known they oppose the potential future president (whatever side hes on) and carry on with their political careers. Despite not being elected they can sell books, secure speaking engagements, and get themselves re-elected and rich from all the attention whoring. He's just another Newt Gingrich.

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The president cant dissolve the federal reserve. It will never pass the house or senate so he can claim whatever he wants his decision will be nothing more than an empty promise.

Well the central bank before the federal reserve was shut down in the 1800s by President Jackson and as a result the country was pulled out of debt and was in a surplus afterward. The first central bank suffered a similar fate when congress chose not to renew it during votes. It's true things are a lot different now. It was hard for Jackson back then, so now it would be quite a feat to get half of that done. I don't think it's impossible though, but really something similar with a "clean name" would probably take its place as that's what has happened 2 times before.

http://21stcenturycicero.wordpress.com/ ... e-bankwar/

Jackson's actual veto message about the central bank: http://avalon.law.yale.edu/19th_century/ajveto01.asp

[pkay]

The president cant dissolve the federal reserve. It will never pass the house or senate so he can claim whatever he wants his decision will be nothing more than an empty promise.

Well the central bank before the federal reserve was shut down in the 1800s by President Jackson and as a result the country was pulled out of debt and was in a surplus afterward. The first central bank suffered a similar fate when congress chose not to renew it during votes. It's true things are a lot different now. It was hard for Jackson back then, so now it would be quite a feat to get half of that done. I don't think it's impossible though, but really something similar with a "clean name" would probably take its place as that's what has happened 2 times before.

http://21stcenturycicero.wordpress.com/ ... e-bankwar/

Jackson's actual veto message about the central bank: http://avalon.law.yale.edu/19th_century/ajveto01.asp

It's impossible because neither the house nor senate would pass said acts to stop using the federal reserve.... and the people who own the federal reserve would be vital to any financial institution the united states goes with. Many people forget that the federal reserve in its essence is not government controlled. If the US government withdrew from using the federal reserve it would in turn devalue the entirety of the united states based on exclusion of the owners of the federal reserve. It would also destroy our stock markets entirely.

It's a hypothetical argument because barring a complete collapse of the united states government we will never be in that position. This is why Ron Paul harps on these issues. They are purely hypothetical

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It's a hypothetical argument because barring a complete collapse of the united states government we will never be in that position. This is why Ron Paul harps on these issues. They are purely hypothetical

No, it isn't. If he was voted president, it would be because enough people agree with him about shutting down the federal reserve. It's certainly a make-it-or-break-it for most people (read: people who are brainwashed by the media as well as standard right-wing sheep), so it's not like he's going to become president and then pull an Obama. When he says he would try to shut down the federal reserve, I see no reason to believe he wouldn't. It's in line with the rest of his views.

[AllNightDayDream]

You're forgetting that hypothetically, he's just the president. People give that position way too much weight.

[seckle]

he'll never get it, because of his drugs stance. there's no way in hell that any suburban conservative soccer mom is going to agree to legalize drugs like heroin, and vote for him. idealists like Paul never get the conservative middle ground voter.

[pkay]

It's a hypothetical argument because barring a complete collapse of the united states government we will never be in that position. This is why Ron Paul harps on these issues. They are purely hypothetical

No, it isn't. If he was voted president, it would be because enough people agree with him about shutting down the federal reserve. It's certainly a make-it-or-break-it for most people (read: people who are brainwashed by the media as well as standard right-wing sheep), so it's not like he's going to become president and then pull an Obama. When he says he would try to shut down the federal reserve, I see no reason to believe he wouldn't. It's in line with the rest of his views.

I can't help you understand my point if as a precursor, your do not understand how the US government works.

The President appoints members to the board of governors to the federal reserve but any and all oversight to the federal reserve rests with congress, not the President.

In order to vacate use of the federal reserve it would require legislation which despite all his glory cannot be passed by the president alone.

The president can run on a platform of making Tuesday Sloppy Joe day nation wide. He can throw sloppy joes out the windows of his tour bus across the US. He can eat a sloppy joe on tv every day of the year. The day he becomes president he can find a congressman to introduce legislation for the presidents sloppy joe bill. If the house or the senate says fuck off, it's done with. No sloppy joe tuesday.

This is what would be required to overturn the litany of congressional acts introduced in support of the federal reserve over the years. It is a power the president does not posses. At this point the best the president can do is intend to work with congress to see his point of view. He would need to convince the entire balance of congress as few really shares this idea with Ron Paul.

[pkay]

he'll never get it, because of his drugs stance. there's no way in hell that any suburban conservative soccer mom is going to agree to legalize drugs like heroin, and vote for him. idealists like Paul never get the conservative middle ground voter.

To be honest, another smoke and mirrors bullshit standpoint by Paul. He doesn't have the power to legalize drugs. He's speaking his personal beliefs and stupid Americans view that as attainable change.

Democrats would shoot down a legalization bill based on party lines, republicans would shoot it down because it goes against their moral foundation

[deadly_habit]

it'd be nice to see bob barr on a ticket again, though paul always gets the college hipster support by people who never follow his actual politics

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Many people forget that the federal reserve in its essence is not government controlled.

Well, it's kind of both. It's true it's a private organisation, but it's a private one within the government. Congress does oversee it. Presidents appoint its people, congress approves them. The government does have quite a bit of say so with the Federal Reserve, more so than with other "private companies". That doesn't mean they would shut it down though. I do think there needs to be more transparency, scrutiny, and surely printing paper money out of nowhere isn't a good thing in the long run.

[wormcode]

Ah just saw your other post with more details on the FED

Anyway interesting link explaining some stuff http://www.slate.com/id/2200411/

[deadly_habit]

while we're on the subject of politics, me and my buds at work have been hunting for an answer regarding my great state of new york's lobbying policies to no avail
does anyone know if an agency (specifically the DEC in this case) can be directly lobbied, or if it has no limits like a politician/party in regards to the amounts lobbyist groups can contribute

[secret door]

This is what would be required to overturn the litany of congressional acts introduced in support of the federal reserve over the years. It is a power the president does not posses. At this point the best the president can do is intend to work with congress to see his point of view. He would need to convince the entire balance of congress as few really shares this idea with Ron Paul.

But if he said he'd try to do, I still think he'd try to do it (note that I specifically chose the word "try"). Even if it doesn't work. Even if Congress will have nothing to do with it. Knowing Ron Paul, he'd still put it under high scrutiny. As with his campaigns, it's unfortunately not so much the destination but the journey itself.