FL10 + MASSIVE

[amidoinitrite]

Kids pirating software like this drives me nuts! If you pirate it you haven't had to commit anything serious to the product and I genuinely feel this is reflected in the productions.
There's loads of free vsti's and other bits out there that are legit. Build your own workstation and put some time and effort into it instead of just ripping off imageline's hard work.

There's plenty of people who buy their stuff and make shit tunes..

and there are plenty of people who pirate everything and make the same bullshit as everyone else!

buy your shit! If you can't afford it.. save up, get a better job, sell stuff or just don't get it.
there is really no way to justify pirating!

[VirtualMark]

Can everyone please stop this anti piracy crap? The guy's on a training wage, which means he wouldn't be buying the software anyway even if he wanted to. So who's he hurting by messing around on a cracked copy?

It annoys me, this holier-than-thou self righteous smug attitude. I'll bet theres not one person here who hasn't downloaded an mp3 or movie, or some form of piracy at least once. And its bullshit about not being able to use a piece of software just because you pirated it, it makes absolutely no difference at all! Practice and studying makes a difference, not what you paid for your software, and if you believe anything else then you're deluded.

[Crosby]

Its not about doing it and not doing it - its about being stupid enough to advertise you do it on the internet. Discussing it in the forum shouldn't be done for many reasons, Its a shit look for the forum and shows other people (mainly people who are new to producing) how easy it can be done and problems relating to piracy can be fixed.

[snypadub]

I would be a hypocrite to say I haven't done it (refer to pirate thread in snho). I just think, with things like this, worth so much money; that you have to seriously commit yourself to a product if ur going to shell out for it, it puts you in the mind set to take production seriously rather than just a throwaway thing. I understand that not everyone can afford it and that is fair enough but, as I mentioned earlier, there are plenty of freeware production tools available. Build your own Daw with loads of different bits if you can't afford to buy the software. Production is 100% about time and effort, it is a craft and software piracy takes away that aspect imho.
I aint holier than thou in any way, it isn't even an ethical thing for me, just rekon it builds up the right attitude to buy your software. You take it a bit more seriously that way.

[zerbaman]

Kids pirating software like this drives me nuts! If you pirate it you haven't had to commit anything serious to the product and I genuinely feel this is reflected in the productions.
There's loads of free vsti's and other bits out there that are legit. Build your own workstation and put some time and effort into it instead of just ripping off imageline's hard work.

There's plenty of people who buy their stuff and make shit tunes..

and there are plenty of people who pirate everything and make the same bullshit as everyone else!

buy your shit! If you can't afford it.. save up, get a better job, sell stuff or just don't get it.
there is really no way to justify pirating!

I'm not justifying, I'm clarifying. I get that you're against piracy, just doesn't seem that it's for the right reasons imo.
For one thing, most of the founders of the genre everyone on this forum loves started out on pirated software..

[amidoinitrite]

training wage?
I'm in college w/o a job and still find a way to pay for my shit!


and you are right about a lot of big names that pirate..
its obvious when they post a tutorial or "master class" and the license to plugins is clearly a crack.


Edit: not at you making training wage, at trying to justify pirating by saying you're on a "training wage"
..no disrespect!


and there are many free synths that will work without a problem, and sound just as good!

[amphibian]

To those of you who think piracy hurts the software manufacturers - yeah, good luck with that. There is plenty of evidence that supports the opposite. Secondly - adobe and microsoft wouldn't be where they are if it weren't for piracy. Thirdly - studies have shown that people who pirate are more passionate and also are more likely to purchase software, than those who don't. I'm not condoning piracy, even though I have done it myself (only just bought my first operating system 6 months ago - Windows 7), but the arguments against it are pretty weak.

There is one benefit to purchasing that you can't get from piracy - and that's having the most up-to-date features, and software in the best working order. I cannot tell you how much more stable windows is now that I've purchased it It makes a huge difference - and that goes for your DAW, as well. Most people running DAWs are many, many releases behind (not full releases, but in terms of patches), and all they're doing is cheating themselves.

snypadub is right - you have to be totally committed to buy this kind of software. Although cheaper than it has ever been - getting into music production is still a very expensive hobby, and you need to know what you're doing. Because of that - a 30-day trial isn't going to cut it, and I'll happily admit that I've downloaded synth plugins.etc. to check them out, only to find out I either didn't end up working with them because I found them too complicated, or they didn't create the sounds I liked - and you can only do this by completing a few tunes on those plugins. I'm a big supporter of try-before-you-buy, but 30 days is never long enough. I think guys like the Reaper devs have the right idea - get it out there, make it cheap (so it's accessible to all), and then build on that.

Back on topic - despite my own beliefs, piracy certainly is not a good thing for this forum, or the industries it supports. Hell, I've seen NI advertise here so it would be pretty dumb for DSF to support piracy.

amidoinitrite is... right. lol. Plenty of free plugins out there that are fucking amazing (atlantis, tal elec7ro.etc.). In fact the latter is one of my favourite synths.

And I reiterate what I said earlier - it's not what you have, it's what you do with it.

[nowaysj]

Noway what do u recommend for 10 hrs work? Lol

I recommend Massive. I bought it for a hundo. That is US. You can buy Massive used on ebay. Get a good deal, and you can do it. Once you own it, you will take a different mindset towards its use, it will help you. I know the relationship is fairly abstract, but it works.

[VirtualMark]

nice one amphibian for an honest reply. its not that i support or recommend piracy, i just get annoyed by everyone bashing people that do it. i've pirated stuff to try it out too, and have found out the plugins that i like compared to the ones that i don't. some of them are real good value for money, and i realise the importance of supporting these companies so they can improve their products. some of the plugins are a total rip off and i'm glad i got to 'try before i buy', as i would have been disappointed if i'd spent a fortune.

as far as using free software goes, whats the difference in using a cracked copy of a synth? either way, nobody gets paid.

i totally understand why dsf can't openly support it tho, it would be a bad image for the forum.

and i couldn't agree more on 'its not what you've got its how you use it'. i made the mistake when i first started of getting every plugin thats supposed to be good, thinking that i'd be able to get a real good sound from it. or that there was a product that could make my music better. whereas i'd now recommend to anyone starting to limit themselves to only a few good plugins, and get to know them really really well.

[amidoinitrite]

Edit:

'its not what you've got its how you use it'.

then you don't need to pirate shit.. just learn what you have/can afford!

[amphibian]

as far as using free software goes, whats the difference in using a cracked copy of a synth? either way, nobody gets paid.

This is a very nieve comment. The former is more than likely a company with wages, rent, bills.etc. The latter is usually a guy doing it for fun or has a passion for it. The latter also probabely the most rewarded when someone else uses it, as they get a kick out of someone using something they created, just like us musicians having people simply listen to our music

and i couldn't agree more on 'its not what you've got its how you use it'. i made the mistake when i first started of getting every plugin thats supposed to be good, thinking that i'd be able to get a real good sound from it. or that there was a product that could make my music better. whereas i'd now recommend to anyone starting to limit themselves to only a few good plugins, and get to know them really really well.

Bingo. The more you limit yourself, the more creative you'll be. I've been limiting myself to just operator for my newest track - and I can tell you right now you wouldn't be able to tell the difference between that and a $200 soft synth such as sylenth (though I really, REALLY like sylenth1) haha

[BevOh]

training wage?
I'm in college w/o a job and still find a way to pay for my shit!


and you are right about a lot of big names that pirate..
its obvious when they post a tutorial or "master class" and the license to plugins is clearly a crack.


Edit: not at you making training wage, at trying to justify pirating by saying you're on a "training wage"
..no disrespect!


and there are many free synths that will work without a problem, and sound just as good!

Just wondering. If you have no income from a job how are you "paying for your shit"? at Mummy n Daddy paying for Massive.
...no disrespect!

[BevOh]

Can everyone please stop this anti piracy crap? The guy's on a training wage, which means he wouldn't be buying the software anyway even if he wanted to. So who's he hurting by messing around on a cracked copy?

It annoys me, this holier-than-thou self righteous smug attitude. I'll bet theres not one person here who hasn't downloaded an mp3 or movie, or some form of piracy at least once. And its bullshit about not being able to use a piece of software just because you pirated it, it makes absolutely no difference at all! Practice and studying makes a difference, not what you paid for your software, and if you believe anything else then you're deluded.

Oh and this.

[amidoinitrite]

training wage?
I'm in college w/o a job and still find a way to pay for my shit!


and you are right about a lot of big names that pirate..
its obvious when they post a tutorial or "master class" and the license to plugins is clearly a crack.


Edit: not at you making training wage, at trying to justify pirating by saying you're on a "training wage"
..no disrespect!


and there are many free synths that will work without a problem, and sound just as good!

Just wondering. If you have no income from a job how are you "paying for your shit"? at Mummy n Daddy paying for Massive.
...no disrespect!

Chill dudes, its the internet..
this isn't a personal argument!
Its just, if pirated software doesn't work because its pirated.. buy it or use freeware or something you can afford.
I could really care less what you do.. pirating is just a pet peeve of mine

buying and selling gear is how I've made most of my money, just have to buy smart and sell smarter.. gigs.. depending on the project I might get paid through the studio.
Never go to the movies or out to eat or shopping at the mall..
all my money either goes towards gear, vinyls or software.. maybe a digital release every now and then. Club.. but usually on the 21+ free nights