Starting Djing?

[Eplo]

imo being able to see the bpm and waveform in serato is still kinda cheating cos you can see it there and just change the pitch accordingly. whereas on my cdjs the bpm counters are to shit to take any notice of so its essentially the same as vinyl in the way that i have no help. watchin loefah and oneman with serato they seem to spend half the time looking at the screen, what they looking at?

[droogie]

imo being able to see the bpm and waveform in serato is still kinda cheating cos you can see it there and just change the pitch accordingly. whereas on my cdjs the bpm counters are to shit to take any notice of so its essentially the same as vinyl in the way that i have no help. watchin loefah and oneman with serato they seem to spend half the time looking at the screen, what they looking at?

What CDJ's you got that the bpm counter is so shit? Your right about serato telling you the BPM,but theres always the option of just dropping the MP3 on the deck and then not looking at the screen and beatmatching the old fashioned way.

[Stuuka]

imo being able to see the bpm and waveform in serato is still kinda cheating cos you can see it there and just change the pitch accordingly. whereas on my cdjs the bpm counters are to shit to take any notice of so its essentially the same as vinyl in the way that i have no help. watchin loefah and oneman with serato they seem to spend half the time looking at the screen, what they looking at?

What CDJ's you got that the bpm counter is so shit? Your right about serato telling you the BPM,but theres always the option of just dropping the MP3 on the deck and then not looking at the screen and beatmatching the old fashioned way.

Probably most CDJ BPM counters are shit, they are just a guide. I have a good pair of CDJs the stanton c324s (please don't tell me they are shit because they aren't pioneer, infact they are better than them up until the 800s!) and the counter is always changing.

It could be a 130bpm track and it's showing 90bpm! haha!

[dublerium]

i've owned midi, pioneers and now got 1200s with serato plus buying vinyl and I wouldn't llok at anything other than technics, and if you want to save in the long run serato. CDJ and midi are boring to use in my opinion in comparison. I'll sell you my serato sl3 for £400 if you want it

[rbnc]

There's no wrong or right hardware. Just try out Serato, CDJs, Traktor and a midi controller and use what you think feels best for you. Hardware and equipment is the last important thing. Most people who hear you mix would rather hear you smash it on a 4 year old laptop with Traktor 3 and a midi controller than struggle with Serato and some 1210s even though you're just using because everyone else does. Obviously you get on well with Serato and a Traktor sucks for you: get Serato.

[dublerium]

imo being able to see the bpm and waveform in serato is still kinda cheating cos you can see it there and just change the pitch accordingly. whereas on my cdjs the bpm counters are to shit to take any notice of so its essentially the same as vinyl in the way that i have no help. watchin loefah and oneman with serato they seem to spend half the time looking at the screen, what they looking at?

What CDJ's you got that the bpm counter is so shit? Your right about serato telling you the BPM,but theres always the option of just dropping the MP3 on the deck and then not looking at the screen and beatmatching the old fashioned way.

Probably most CDJ BPM counters are shit, they are just a guide. I have a good pair of CDJs the stanton c324s (please don't tell me they are shit because they aren't pioneer, infact they are better than them up until the 800s!) and the counter is always changing.

It could be a 130bpm track and it's showing 90bpm! haha!

With serato I just beatmatch by ear, depends what view you have to the one i have just has the bpm for example like 128 bpm but if i press space the view shows the bpm with 1 decimal figure i.e 128.2

With the pioneers I had the bpm counter was incredibly accurate and did not act as a guideline but just made me properly lazy, if you stick a tune in and it states it's 2 bpm away from what you want it at your not going to spend time beatmatching it if your under pressure to get a tune in.

Since owning technics i've gotten a lot better at mixing and am enjoying it more. Reccomended!

[55stevieboy2010]

alright cool. im just sayin the cdj400 route worked brilliant for me, got nearly all the features of the 1000's and 800's in clubs so you dont feel lost if uve never used them. Now ive moved to 900's and wouldnt have changed a thing about the route i took. thats indesputable. but yea im all up for keepin vinyl alive too so go for that if your happy with it

[55stevieboy2010]

oh yea and to the geezer that said the cdj400 route was the last thing he would do, i bought my cdj's and a mixer for £1000, rinsed the fuck outa them for a year, learnt my trade, then sold them on for £1050, makin a 50 quid profit. its a little silly sayin its a bad route. it really is a very good route trust me

[dublerium]

oh yea and to the geezer that said the cdj400 route was the last thing he would do, i bought my cdj's and a mixer for £1000, rinsed the fuck outa them for a year, learnt my trade, then sold them on for £1050, makin a 50 quid profit. its a little silly sayin its a bad route. it really is a very good route trust me

I got a good deal when i sold my 400s too, was alright owning them but personally i'd have rather got technics in the first place, find them infinetely more fun, so looks like it's all down to the user

try then buy

[dublerium]

imo being able to see the bpm and waveform in serato is still kinda cheating cos you can see it there and just change the pitch accordingly. whereas on my cdjs the bpm counters are to shit to take any notice of so its essentially the same as vinyl in the way that i have no help. watchin loefah and oneman with serato they seem to spend half the time looking at the screen, what they looking at?

It does help having the waveforms, but you can change the view and to be honest it's clear oneman and loefah are are great DJs and can do it without, but that extra help if they wanted it could make thier live sets tighter.

[addicted]

might be looking at tracks to play next

[apmje]

Isn't looking at a waveform practically identical to looking at grooves on a vinyl?

[charliefoy]

Isn't looking at a waveform practically identical to looking at grooves on a vinyl?

[Eplo]

surely its more blatent with waveforms? i.e you can see where the kick is etc, but can you see a kick on a groove? also you cant see the grooves when your using a vinyl really, esp if its a bit dark, whereas the waveforms are right there.

[charliefoy]

surely its more blatent with waveforms? i.e you can see where the kick is etc, but can you see a kick on a groove? also you cant see the grooves when your using a vinyl really, esp if its a bit dark, whereas the waveforms are right there.

But surely if you know the track that you're playing well, you'll know where it drops/goes into the breakdown ect wouldnt you?

[phytone]

surely its more blatent with waveforms? i.e you can see where the kick is etc, but can you see a kick on a groove? also you cant see the grooves when your using a vinyl really, esp if its a bit dark, whereas the waveforms are right there.

But surely if you know the track that you're playing well, you'll know where it drops/goes into the breakdown ect wouldnt you?

Exactly! Serato is king IMO, a real shame it's not club standard in more places, personally I don't know of any DJs who say they prefer the feel of a CDJ to a turntable.

Looking say 10+ years into the future, I am hoping turntables will still be around and the only physical media left will be vinyl. CDs certainly won't be around... Any digital media will be accessed from "the cloud" via internet at which point every DJ booth will need to have some sort of PC.
In my ideal world, the booth would consist of a very well kept pair of 1210s and a PC with Serato/Traktor/other software, connected to the cloud, so DJs can easily access their collection instantly and also take some vinyl along if they wish.

[_boring]

fuk serato. its nothing but trouble at gigs

[phytone]

Never had a problem myself... Only downside is that it can be a little awkward having to setup whilst someone is playing if they don't already have it there. Would love it if clubs already had it and I could just take a memory card with me...

[spleen]

*dbl*

[spleen]

imo being able to see the bpm and waveform in serato is still kinda cheating cos you can see it there and just change the pitch accordingly. whereas on my cdjs the bpm counters are to shit to take any notice of so its essentially the same as vinyl in the way that i have no help. watchin loefah and oneman with serato they seem to spend half the time looking at the screen, what they looking at?

What CDJ's you got that the bpm counter is so shit? Your right about serato telling you the BPM,but theres always the option of just dropping the MP3 on the deck and then not looking at the screen and beatmatching the old fashioned way.

if u dnt do this, u aint really a dj tbh (using serato)