On the use of the terms " dub " / " dubplate

delendi · Post by **delendi** » Tue May 22, 2007 10:10 pm

pressing plants post dubs and vinyl u kno? a lot of uk house of certain subgenres is pressed in europe, particularly italy, and sent back over. guess they might charge u too much for it to be worth one dub tho.

billy blanks · Post by **billy blanks** » Tue May 22, 2007 10:16 pm

i was under the impression that historically dubplates were strictly acetate...not even vinyl...someone learn me..

delendi · Post by **delendi** » Tue May 22, 2007 10:18 pm

yup. at some point they changed SOMETHING in the recipe cos they used to run out after like 10 plays and this one i got off leon... i actually needed to wear it down for my dissertation to prove a point and after 78 plays i had to give up cos it was still perfect, damn him.

tronman · Post by **tronman** » Tue May 22, 2007 10:22 pm

my mum used transition when she worked at london records (true stories)

she dun know about weighty plate.

delendi · Post by **delendi** » Tue May 22, 2007 10:26 pm

my mum never does anything cool

right i'm going to bed, i want a 5000 word essay on the dilemmas of the words 'dub' and 'dubstep' and some sort of conclusive answer by the time i wake up.

boomnoise · Post by **boomnoise** » Tue May 22, 2007 10:42 pm

i think the key point here is the fluidity of language and culture.

the word dub has only recently started to be the term for a new tune. and where this might be factually wrong, the reappropriation is interesting and can stand up as a valid use for me.

a new and exclusive track is, for all intents and purposes, a dub in the same sense of Jamaican soundsystem culture where dubplates were first used.

The actually format, it could be argued isn't as important as the fact that the tune itself is an exclusive, unreleased recording.

'i have some new dubs' meaning new tunes, whether or not they have been cut to dubplate seems to stand up before or after the recipient of said dubs has actually cut them.

it's largely a question of semantics.

dub, as an abbreviation of dubplate is where the factual error lies, but the word being used in this new context shows an reappropriation of dubplate culture, bringing it uptodate with techonology

dubplate culture will not stay in statis with the advent of digital formats and serrato etc. i think it is equally as correct to use the term dub for a new tune you've just been sent over aim as it is for a dubplate which you have subsequently gone and cut.

and del, isn't it leon and jason at transition, not music house? unless by extreme coincidence the heads at music house share the same names

boomnoise · Post by **boomnoise** » Tue May 22, 2007 10:53 pm

Intoccabile wrote: From what I gather, the terms dub and dubplate seem to be more and more synonymous with track. The expression : " I have a new dub ", to a lot of people will mean : " I have a new track ". " New dubs on myspace " means " new track on myspace ". Dub section of the forum... tune section of the forum. Ad infinitum... Now, the format on which the tracks are presented, be it mp3, cd, Flac, etc. seems of little importance.

Why this shift in the use of the terms " dub " or " dubplate " ?

What I am seeing is a shift in semantics due, in part to the depragmatisation of the dub " ethos ".

What do I mean exactly by " depragmatisation " of the dub ethos ?

The dub " ethos " seems to be ( of couse it might be a false induction of my part ) less and less rooted in those specific practices ( cutting exclusive tracks, versions, giving them to dj's, etc. ) that made the " original " dub culture what it was. It is somewhat becoming a ghost, a mere abstraction of it's former self. How we use the terms dub and dubplate seems to be a reflection of that...

I wouldn't be able to explain the why and the how of depragmatisation ( the fact that the dub ethos is less and less rooted in certain practices ), but I do know that the technological paradigm in which we live in isn't helping things. Why cut a plate, if I can drop wavefiles, mp3's regardless of bitrate, in the dance ? It would be just a waste of money and time. I know that's how a lot of dj's think. This technological paradigm, to me, and in this specific context ( the dubstep scene ), serves as an impulsion towards depragmatisation.

Thoughts ?

Ok, I'm going back in the studio.

i summary i am agreeing with you. format is becoming of less importance to dubplate culture, which has been, 'depragmatised' due to digital technology. dubplate culture has mutated from something where the actual hard copy of a dubplate is reduced to the digital.

i would however prefer to stress more the pragmatisation of dubplate culture rather than it's depragmatisation. having dubs, in the sense of exclusive tracks is now easier and more affordable than ever before.

ultimately it depends really on how romantic you want to be about dubplates.

boomnoise · Post by **boomnoise** » Tue May 22, 2007 11:08 pm

Intoccabile wrote:When I post a " free " dub on a forum, is it still a dub ?

Well, not only is it not presented on a physical format, but the element of exclusivity is lost as well, since everybody can own my dub now.

I guess it doesn't really matter since the meaning of the terms dub and dubplate ( among other things ), for a lot of people, has been lost.

on exclusivity:

i think exclusivity is the key factor when talking about dubs/dubplates. it's what separates it from being just another tune or track.

-blade- · Post by **-blade-** » Tue May 22, 2007 11:18 pm

Delendi wrote: they're gunna stop producing the polymer used to make vinyl by 2012 or something...

WOTT??????

south3rn · Post by **south3rn** » Tue May 22, 2007 11:27 pm

i prefer to call tunes "tunes" cuz it seems like people try to hard when they just throw around the word dub

i'll joke around "oh man i got this 1337 dub" but i don't like to casually say "oh yeah this is a dub i just got"

scoz · Post by **scoz** » Wed May 23, 2007 12:36 am

as just an ordinary record buyer I think the "dubplate" term is misused even for records. I'd say promos are often described as "dubplates" when they are really just promos.

el sudor · Post by **el sudor** » Wed May 23, 2007 12:42 am

As time changes, so do the meanings of words. Language develops.

ana · Post by **ana** » Wed May 23, 2007 3:24 am

http://www.bartleby.com/61/90/D0409000.html

thehovsep · Post by **thehovsep** » Wed May 23, 2007 3:28 am

ana wrote:http://www.bartleby.com/61/90/D0409000.html

CASE CLOSED.

jas nasty · Post by **jas nasty** » Wed May 23, 2007 4:28 am

hmmmmmmmmmmm.

very interesting thread.

boomnoise wrote: ultimately it depends really on how romantic you want to be about dubplates.

I AM VERY ROMANTIC ABOUT DUBPLATES!!!

I am obsessed with vinyl.
I hold vinyl/dub culture very close to my heart.

i hope i have a heart attack before it gets broken......

thehovsep · Post by **thehovsep** » Wed May 23, 2007 4:36 am

jas nasty wrote: I am obsessed with vinyl.

i hope i have a heart attack before it gets broken......

same here. this news of the plastic used for vinyl being cut from production by 2012 makes me sad. they'll figure something out.... right?... today i spent every dollar i had left on the limited edition (??) 2LP of the Burial record and a couple of other things. stepping out of the record shop, my stomach reminded me that a) I was hungry as fuck and that b) i had spent all my money on petroleum products with engraved sound waves on them instead of food. and i thought to myself "shit, i can't wait to get home to listen to these!"

long live vinyl, and someone buy one of those fancy Vestax dubplate cutters around Montreal or Toronto so we can start cutting some up and bring the exclusivity back to dubs... because CDRs just don't cut it.

jas nasty · Post by **jas nasty** » Wed May 23, 2007 4:41 am

OH MAH GAWD you bought the LTD ed Burial in a STORE in MOntreal? Where? Nice?

thehovsep · Post by **thehovsep** » Wed May 23, 2007 4:49 am

jas nasty wrote:OH MAH GAWD you bought the LTD ed Burial in a STORE in MOntreal? Where? Nice?

Nice is the only place... i had special ordered it as soon as I caught wind they were pressing it.. but Dan said that he was short a few copies and he would try to get a couple more... i'd say to just drop him an email:
nice@nicemusic.ca

Dan is the nicest (no pun intended) guy around and will probably do all he can to sort you out. he also got the white label of the kode9/dmz release on soul jazz (i had to keep myself from drooling all over the records)

but yeah, best of luck... it's fucking BEAUTIFUL... now I'm just waiting for hyperdub to press the Memories of the Future on wax

edit: and wait, so it IS limited edition? that's cool.

robbiej · Post by **robbiej** » Wed May 23, 2007 6:35 am

this is only an isssue for (ahem) digital dj's...i play vinyl so the only "dubs" i have are the ones i got cut or got given...if it makes people feel more important because it says "dub" 16 times n the track list then go for it...i think its great cuz it lets me know immediately (save for acouple of big names who play all off dubplate) if its a real deejay or a digital version of one....

djshiva · Post by **djshiva** » Wed May 23, 2007 7:08 am

robbiej wrote:lets me know immediately (save for acouple of big names who play all off dubplate) if its a real deejay or a digital version of one....

i resemble that remark (digitally speaking).

and to anyone who thinks someone who uses digital anything isn't a real dj, let's step to the decks (all vinyl). make sure you have someone nearby to hand you a tissue after i wipe the floor with your ass.

(note the winky face...i ain't tryin' to be belligerent, just truthful)

back on topic: dubs...dubplates....dubble bubble. i could give a toss if the music's good.

as long as this happens...
:bins:

...all is well with my world.

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