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badger wrote:never do the stuff any more but all of these problems are due to taking it stupidly and not the drug itself. it's only once it gets into your stomach and then by extension your bladder that it causes problems

Hmm, no matter how you take it, your body is going to have to process and get rid of the waste/used elements through your normal metabolism - kidneys and bladder are very often the first to notice. It's not just waste from your food/drink that ends up in your urine, it's impurities from the general blood supply too, which will include any chemicals your body has finished metabolising.

Also, a lot of drugs (MDMA especially, but Weed in heavy doses also in my experience) slow down the lower end of the digestive system (doesn't matter how you imbibe them) meaning you can get cramps or, worse, leave you with a full bladder that feels like it doesn't need/can't be emptied... carrying around something as corrosive as concentrated urine, even in your bladder, isn't a great idea for a long peroid of time or very frequently.... great way to get a urinary infection... or kidney stones.

Drugs are brilliant in the right quantities, you've just always got to remember you're effectively overclocking bits of your anatomy each time... they need time to recover and they can only be pushed so hard for so long.

leave the shit to the horses, they can handle it better.

aspect-dubz wrote:leave the shit to the horses, they can handle it better.

I won't hear a bad word said against Ketamine!

For those of you pussy enough to want to retain stomach functions etc., you should spit out the drip - I hear this eliminates the damage to important bits.

I hate these wankers. I don't take Ketamine, but if man's taking 2 grams in a line what the fuck does he expect?

magma wrote:

badger wrote:never do the stuff any more but all of these problems are due to taking it stupidly and not the drug itself. it's only once it gets into your stomach and then by extension your bladder that it causes problems

Hmm, no matter how you take it, your body is going to have to process and get rid of the waste/used elements through your normal metabolism - kidneys and bladder are very often the first to notice. It's not just waste from your food/drink that ends up in your urine, it's impurities from the general blood supply too, which will include any chemicals your body has finished metabolising.

Also, a lot of drugs (MDMA especially, but Weed in heavy doses also in my experience) slow down the lower end of the digestive system (doesn't matter how you imbibe them) meaning you can get cramps or, worse, leave you with a full bladder that feels like it doesn't need/can't be emptied... carrying around something as corrosive as concentrated urine, even in your bladder, isn't a great idea for a long peroid of time or very frequently.... great way to get a urinary infection... or kidney stones.

I recently read a research report that detailed how ketamine is specifically toxic to cells that line the urinary tract but I can't find the actual peer-reviewed report amongst all the repititive news of 'ketamine linked to bladder damage etc' (it was an investigation in to its suitability as an antidepressant if anyone else wants to look). I also reckon it affects the pituary gland due to the amount you end up pissing whilst under the influence...

Xavy wrote:I won't hear a bad word said against Ketamine!

For those of you pussy enough to want to retain stomach functions etc., you should spit out the drip - I hear this eliminates the damage to important bits.

If you drink milk before snorting it gets absorbed in that when it goes down your throat. One time I remember rushing to fridge, peeling off the lid and gulping some down then realising it was off...

was actually developed for human anaesthetic before horses. jus sayin.

got nothing against ketamine itself

just idiots who abuse it and then whinge about their health problems on facebook/irl

the level of abuse ketamine inspires is silly

Noticed some damage from it myself but thankfully, i cut it back/out before it got really bad. I used to not be able to sleep on my left side cos it would irritate the opposite side. Thats gone now luckily, but i still have a 2 inch diameter area on my right side that feels pretty uncomfortable if my stomachs full.

being a bit wonky is great but i used to just love 'exploring' k-hole's with abstract ambient music guiding it. Great fun if you can actually remain lucid , and learn and integrate from the experience, not so great when your damaging yourself so much.

Was out not too long ago and a friend of a friend who we had met that night had to carry around a big plastic bowl with her to piss in literally every 5 - 10 mins. Even when we were on the bus. Bear in mind the people who usually have the most damage from it, are literally psychologically addicted to it which makes it difficult to cut back even though they're aware of whats happening.

Anyway above all, The worst thing about it all, is the people that read all these shock stories and meet other people who have had some problems with it and still never expect anything like that to happen them. Even if your mates do 5 times as much of it as you, and they're fine, you might not be as lucky so keep it moderated

isiahfire wrote:Ketamine abuse seems to be a growing problem in Manchester, don't know about rest of the UK. Know a dealer who wears a catheter bag due to kidney problems and a fair few kids used to come into college on ket regularly.

I could never consider taking more than a wee bump and never outside of someones gaff, with some weird music playing.

nah its everywhere man... i still find it weird that people go out raving on Ket..

and same, i never buy it, but will occasionally have the tiniest bit on a key just for a few laughs back at home after a big night out

kets fucking joke, don't know how you can have a bad time on k

Ket both intrigues me and scares the shit out of me. I wonder how long it will take until it blows up in Portugal, we're a bit behind on the drug thing. Mephedrone got huge about 6 months ago here.

You brits, always on the drug forefront. I always imagine your nights out to be like this

except with dubstep.

Ayatollah wrote:Ket both intrigues me and scares the shit out of me. I wonder how long it will take until it blows up in Portugal, we're a bit behind on the drug thing. Mephedrone got huge about 6 months ago here.

You brits, always on the drug forefront. I always imagine your nights out to be like this

except with dubstep.

I like that tune, but video doesn't seem to fit what I always pictured it to be....picture getting lost around fabric rather than a wedding party.

Nights more like this:

Yeah I'm pretty sure he set it at a wedding just to make it a little more interesting. The tune is definitely not about a wedding

Had some trouble with ketamine in the past, I still sniff more than I should, but its nothing like I used to. Seen it mess up quite a few of my friends. When it put me in hospital I knew it was time to stop. It definately creeps up at you, I only realised I was an addict when my girlfriend pointed out the extent of my use. Its hard to stop yourself especially if you're around it all the time.

AntlionUK wrote:Why'd you feel sorry for him?

He took more because he thought it would help with the stomach cramps, bit thick if you ask me.

Do you have any idea of how addiction works?

s.a.m wrote:

AntlionUK wrote:Why'd you feel sorry for him?

He took more because he thought it would help with the stomach cramps, bit thick if you ask me.

Do you have any idea of how addiction works?

Nope, not at all. Please enlighten me.

here we go again...

noam wrote:here we go again...

Who's playing bass hertz and who's playing the angry mob in this one?