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FuzionDubstep wrote:Nah I don't agree at all.. there are things you can do by resampling that the synth's just aren't capable of such as little automation adjustments and the fact that you can split frequencies and apply effects multiple times.. although I think resampling is only needed if you are saving CPU unless your going for a heavier sound which is what most of my tracks are, but I suppose if you're going for dark dubstep or chilled out stuff then of course resampling shouldn't be necessary.. if you know what you're doing (I'm not saying you don't or that I do) then re-sampling can be really useful, but like everything its PERSONAL PREFERENCE.. nothing is better than anything else.

Resampling is more necessary for dark and chilled out stuff than it is for Heavy stuff, Just because everyone doing hype resamples everything allasudden for whatever reason doesn't mean it's any more valid for that genre, not saying anything against you or your tunes but to make a sweeping statement like resampling is needed if you're going for a heavier sound is folly. And besides, if you know what you're doing then I'm not talking about you.


If you guys aren't gonna read the post carefully whilst picking it apart please don't waste my time, I'm still sneezing coke and have a monster headache and no patience for senseless flaming.

Kes-Es wrote:I'm still sneezing coke and have a monster headache

Youre so cool. Rock and Roll bro.

i print all my synths before mixing. usually arranging the track first and then printing leads, pads, keys, basses. Resample before arranging if it's going to involve some editing/post-bounce sound designing.
I dunno why but i just don't like the idea of mixing down with stuff coming out of synths. Also to mix down with MIDI i would have to lower buffer size, when with audio i can maximize it

The only thing i really sample, resample etc. is pads made with reverb, and shit like reaktor noise generator with an LFO or pattern gate or something on it

You sir, who made this post, are so ignorant

This thread sucks.

Kes-Es wrote:Right, so I've noticed this trend where everyone thinks that if you render out your shit bassline it's gonna sound better.
I'm not saying that it doesn't have its pros, but unless you're masslining or stretching, or just really need the extra CPU, there's really nothing you should be doing with that WAV that you couldn't do with the synth itself.
I personally have never resampled anything, never needed to, I think it's another overcomplicated way to do something simple, that is synthesis.
I'm not bashing on ALL the resamplers out there, but if you hear a sound and think "THEY MUST BE RESAMPLING" you're either underestimating the producer's ability to synthesize sounds, or overestimating your FX plugins.
You can do anything you can do by resampling inside your synth, if you can't then you should learn how.
I'm not bashing on anyone in particular, and feel free to discuss this as I love discussion, but I've never seen how you can justify resampling something 0640236750235 times to attain something that you could probably get in your synthVST just by learning more about waveforms filters and envelopes.
Also, massive is not what you need to make filth bass, please stop saying that, suck is suck no matter what VST you're running, all you need is practice.

Anyway yeah... Discuss.

Alright, I resampled it. It's much better now.

wub wrote:big fan of creating my atmospherics through this technique as previous posts on the subject with attest to.

LOVE doing this. "Electrical Storm" in my sig has a good example of this. If you listen to the beginning of the track there is a reverse cymbal layered with another synth, but I'm not talking about that sound. I'm talking about the sound you can hear under that trashing about. What I did was grabbed at least 3 different sounds (can't remember if there was a 4th but possibly).
Sound 1: A field recording I did last autumn just walking over some dried leaves
Sound 2: A glass breaking in reverse
Sound 3: Warm pad sound I made.

Then I added plenty of delay and reverb then stuck them into a sample manipulation ensemble in Reaktor and played around with it for a bit.

Then added more delay reverb and then compression and there you have it a mad trashy atmospheric sound.

Reaktor is the king for this the Metaphysical is an Ensemble I use a lot, not in the case above (can't remember what that one was called).

now that is creative sampling.
u r a mad man

darigan wrote:"Electrical Storm" in my sig

Quality track!!

darigan wrote:sample manipulation ensemble in Reaktor

Really need to be getting on with learning this instrument. I didn't know it did such things.

Apart from slicing or time/pitch stretching, rendered audio has no benefit over live sound. For some reason people seem to think a wav is gonna sound different through a processor or is going to allow them to do more. An audio stream is an audio stream, your effects can't tell the difference. You still get posts by people saying "ya but if you resample you can add effects over and over" Have you not thought of just adding the effect to the end of your chain? Makes no difference whether you bounced it down in between processors. You can modulate to your heart's content without ever having to render anything.
Not to mention having the sound still live in your synth gives you much more flexibility. Seems people got the facts backwards

^ err, CPU and buffer size? Allowing you to do more is exactly what it does. also... keeping it live for flexibility just means i'm gonna let myself waste time tweaking knobs on the synth instead of arranging and mixing my tune.

Apart from some insight from Darigan, his thread is total shit, tbh. no one ought to care how the next guy does it. Just make your tune. I'd wager that most talented producers use all kinds of combinations of these techniques.
some people massline, some people like to trigger their bass sounds on a pad or keyboard when composing. Some people like to let a synth ride out. SOme people apply a lot of fades, crossfades, and edits to their audio.
This is kinda dumb discussion, people saying this or that has "no benefit" or something's "more necessary for xyz style" that is all bollocks. Make a tune, no one really cares what it is until you get it down to 2track anyway.

or in less words -- It Takes All Kinds.

Yes obviously it has technical and workflow benefits. In terms of the actual sound though, the bouncing process itself has no effect. People turning to resampling to try to achieve sounds like xyz are just wasting their time. If your computer's weak by all means. If you need to do some crazy chopping, reversing, stretching, by all means. But if you want to frequency split, distort and filter a few times in a row, just build an effects chain for fucks sake.

Heartless wrote:This thread sucks.

Alright, I resampled it. It's much better now.

kbro

JFK wrote:

Kes-Es wrote:I'm still sneezing coke and have a monster headache

Youre so cool. Rock and Roll bro.

Can't use drugs anymore without trying to be something that died, I see, that was my bad though , you're right, I dunno why I bothered to say that.

reignz wrote:You sir, who made this post, are so ignorant

Back that up with something legitimate or go fuck yourself man, I've got all the time in the world for a legitimate point against what I said, but the bottom line is if you don't know what you are doing you have no business resampling. Read the fucking post guys, seriously, I didn't say "resampling sucks dick, period." I said it has it's uses but it's not gonna make you the next Skrillex.

Haters gonna hate but this is dumb, again, if you aren't going to read it don't waste my fucking time kids.

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Just to maybe help make my point more clear, since it's very hard for you kids to grasp apparently, Most of these tracks of mine are entirely done by sampling and resampling. I'm talking strictly about midrange stuff here fellas, talking about you guys who cracked massive and heard somewhere that datsik resampled. Not saying it's bad, but you can definitely do what you're doing without it.

I only really resample to mess around and edit what I have already made. There are things you can do with audio that you really can't do with midi.

Every one has their own techniques and hopefully u posted this in the spirit of discussion because hating on something just because lots of people are talking about it or because it's become mainstream is just some lame ass hipster elitist bullshit. Don't get mad. Just sayin'

I love re-sampling and not because I suck at synthesis because I'm good at synthesizing my own sounds. I'm interested in re-sampling because for one it's fucking fun and also because the results are un-expected, original, and random. Sometimes the sounds u end up w/ are pure shit but most of the time it's surprising and awesome! It's exciting to see what'll happen like opening a gift at Christmas every time a new waveform is being drawn out. My synth patches get ridiculously complex w/ automation and MIDI assignments but I'm not worried about CPU. That's the last of my woes. I just like to sample variations of my sounds.

Then again, I've always been into sampling. I love the air in it. Even when I was playing rock music I would sample myself/instruments just because I like the way it sounds. Also, once you have a waveform of all that intricate work u just put into your synth, it feels good man.

Anyway, dude above is right, too. Re-sampling isn't the big secret. It's not some magical process that will turn your saw-tooth wave and lfo'd low-pass into a Skrillex song. But I agree that it's being viewed that way by people who don'y understand what they're doing. It's cool and it sucks at the same time that any ass-hole w/ a few hundred dollars can call themselves a "producer." And that's exactly what they do. Every-fucking-warm-body is a producer now!!! This shit takes years of practice and trial and error and patience and experience. I do'n't care how many cores your processor has or how many RAM modules u have stuffed into your computer or how advanced DAW's become. This is an art-form and it does take a bit of talent.

OK I'm done. : )

Hopefully this thread is actually helpful to the less informed. I've seen this shit repeated so many times, "just resample..." Pretty dumb. Resampling doesn't do anything in of itself, and new producers who maybe have watched one tutorial too many need to bear that in mind. With that said, resampling if you know how and why you are resampling is an extremely powerful workflow/technique.

Just consider if you've done a month's worth of sound design, have several hundred samples ready to go to use in some tracks, everything there is resampled. Then within a track, doing sound design as you write the track, I don't think the pentagon is going to let you borrow a computer powerful enough to maintain all of your fx necessary for designing each and every sound you make. I strongly encourage letting go of your fx chains. Just make the sound, clear the mixer track of fx and get on with it. Don't get attached to that shit. Just be brutal and move forward. Resampling is the core of that mentality.

UoaD wrote: Anyway, dude above is right, too. Re-sampling isn't the big secret. It's not some magical process that will turn your saw-tooth wave and lfo'd low-pass into a Skrillex song. But I agree that it's being viewed that way by people who don'y understand what they're doing. It's cool and it sucks at the same time that any ass-hole w/ a few hundred dollars can call themselves a "producer." And that's exactly what they do. Every-fucking-warm-body is a producer now!!! This shit takes years of practice and trial and error and patience and experience. I do'n't care how many cores your processor has or how many RAM modules u have stuffed into your computer or how advanced DAW's become. This is an art-form and it does take a bit of talent.

OK I'm done. : )

This is entirely my point, I've got so little money, my shit HP computer is about to die, I can't finish anything because my CPU explodes 2 minutes into anything, but god forbid I call out a bunch of kids either with A) a lot of money and no patience, or B) a lot of cracked software and no patience.

Shit is ridiculous.