an idea to keep vinyl alive! budgestep.

slim · Post by **slim** » Sun Jun 03, 2007 1:27 pm

Wow, decent video. Is it just me or does the "wetting agent" they talk about not look and sound suspiciously like water?

I'm new to buying vinyl, i still buy cds sometimes, but they can't quite compare now i know about vinyl.

What's the deal with the rumours that they aren't even gonna produce the polymer used in pressing after 2010? Surely they aren't gonna just get rid of PVC?

Rob H · Post by **Rob H** » Sun Jun 03, 2007 1:59 pm

Entheogen wrote:I was just sitting at my computer smoking breakfast, and I came up with an idea that may have been thought of many times before, although I haven't seen it in practice....

basically i was pondering how much dubs are costing in shops, sometimes up to £7.99, and how im going to have to start moving to digital at some point whether i like it or not.

so i thought, can producers not get together and bring out a budget label? no artwork etc, just the artists name and track name maybe on the plate. the more artists involved and dubs are sold costs will drop further. Maybe they could be sold directly through ebay too? 12"s for a fiver?

What do people think?

its one thing calling cd/mp3 exclusives 'dubs' but vinyl releases?

sully_shanks · Post by **sully_shanks** » Sun Jun 03, 2007 5:29 pm

Slim wrote: What's the deal with the rumours that they aren't even gonna produce the polymer used in pressing after 2010? Surely they aren't gonna just get rid of PVC?

pretty sure thats bollocks!

tha_illsta · Post by **tha_illsta** » Sun Jun 03, 2007 5:46 pm

har har, very funny. Budget vinyls indeed.

there's barely any profit left in the fuckeries already, do you know how much the bastard distributors take off you anyway.

with most commercial products the mark-up is at least 100% for the retailer.

-So you can imagine that after the shops, labels, distributors, manufacturers, mastering and delivery people have all taken their cut or whatever-

Exactly how much of that $7.99 do you think is left for the poor old artist who made the damn beats in the first place?

anyway, nice try

and I'm not bitter, honest.

-benny "soapbox" ill

Littlefoot · Post by **Littlefoot** » Sun Jun 03, 2007 8:55 pm

i always find it odd being from the scene im from (the proper DIY punk sub culture) and we (me included) release records ridiculously cheaper in comparison, for example I know for a fact you could sell a 12" with no art for 4 quid and break even pretty easily if you press 1000

Littlefoot · Post by **Littlefoot** » Sun Jun 03, 2007 8:59 pm

THA ILLSTA wrote:har har, very funny. Budget vinyls indeed.

there's barely any profit left in the fuckeries already, do you know how much the bastard distributors take off you anyway.

with most commercial products the mark-up is at least 100% for the retailer.

-So you can imagine that after the shops, labels, distributors, manufacturers, mastering and delivery people have all taken their cut or whatever-

Exactly how much of that $7.99 do you think is left for the poor old artist who made the damn beats in the first place?

anyway, nice try

and I'm not bitter, honest.

-benny "soapbox" ill

whats happening Benny.

I honestly dont think this a legit argument to take too far because of knowing that if you create a culture of not needing middle men you can break even/make money, I realise most people dont have the time/effort to distrubute their own stuff, but I have done it for my band in the past (biggest release was 550, but i could have dealt with more). its a lot of effort but no fucker got any moneyout of it and I could sell it to our fans for dead cheap with some pretty decent art and in a nice thick plastic wallet. At the same time it is different because ethically I only ever want to make enough money to keep going as I never want music to become my job, but yeh, organisation is a fucking great thing when its in place to use

scaramanga · Post by **scaramanga** » Sun Jun 03, 2007 10:20 pm

how long to dubs last?

maybe 50/60 plays

budget vinyl yes budget dubs no

budget vinyl kind of suck too though...like the southside releases seem to be pressed and mastered badly and sound kind of poop

vinyleater · Post by **vinyleater** » Mon Jun 04, 2007 10:21 am

Boomkat are (arguably) the biggest online store for purchasing dubstep records. Yet once things are gone (usually within the first week of them being stocked) then THEY ARE GONE. Once in a blue moon, things will be repressed e.g. Jah War 12" on Ninja Tune and some of the DMZ stuff. But usually these tunes don't last long..

Alternatives? Ebay. Fuck off. I don't want to tell you what I've spent on records on ebay. Silly prices, and we all know it. Other alternative? Boomkat are digitalising EVERYTHING in their catalogue, and it's growing by the day. All these Burial 12"s that were released and are now rare as hen's teeth can be simply downloaded. Something like 99p per track, top quality too.

I love vinyl as much as the next person/dj on this board. But I fear (yes, truly FEAR) that in the interests of attaining certain tunes and/or avoiding bankrupcy, there may be a general shift towards the whole sorato end of things; keeping vinyl, but essentially "spinning" mp3s.

Food for thought: I was thinking of buying CDJs because there was some Squarepusher tunes I wanted to play which were impossible to get on vinyl. Never bought them. Instead, managed to find a copy of Feed Me Weird Things 2lp going for $56. Fifty-six bucks for one fuckin record!

..and the moral of the story is?

dekka · Post by **dekka** » Mon Jun 04, 2007 10:45 am

Entheogen wrote:I
so i thought, can producers not get together and bring out a budget label? no artwork etc, just the artists name and track name maybe on the plate. the more artists involved and dubs are sold costs will drop further. Maybe they could be sold directly through ebay too? 12"s for a fiver?

What do people think?

Its a good idea for sure but even still @ 5 quid a dub your still 4 pounds more expensive then a download track! Its annoying that vinyl is the most expensive medium for dj's to use now but thats just where were at, embrace it or deface it, its up to you! I as we speak have Serato in the post which i had mixed feelings about getting, while it wont have the warmth of an ep or lp it still gives you the hands on approach which for me won over!!

randomhed · Post by **randomhed** » Mon Jun 04, 2007 11:35 am

If it came to it and this is a big IF, id grudgingly shell out a tenner per record.

Obviously the amount of tunes i could afford would decrease, id have to be alot more selective about which got bought. But i love my vinyl, if it becomes a specialists product then so be it, its my medium of choice / love.

Mp3s and cds smell !

alien pimp · Post by **alien pimp** » Mon Jun 04, 2007 3:22 pm

i've read a while ago that they are not making anymore these industrial pressing machines so before 2010 around 80% of the pressing plants will be shut down due to aging of the existent machinery.
if so, you can imagine those plants still standing will be flooded with orders and the prices will explode

cure · Post by **cure** » Mon Jun 04, 2007 3:45 pm

alien pimp wrote:i've read a while ago that they are not making anymore these industrial pressing machines so before 2010 around 80% of the pressing plants will be shut down due to aging of the existent machinery.
if so, you can imagine those plants still standing will be flooded with orders and the prices will explode

What happened is that the major conglomerates (in the music industry) bought out all the pressing plants with intentions to shut them down. There are a few independant plants that will never sell out...the problem now is that they are going to stop making the material that is used to make vinyl.....apparently its really bad for the environment...

flipw · Post by **flipw** » Mon Jun 04, 2007 3:49 pm

cure wrote:
alien pimp wrote:i've read a while ago that they are not making anymore these industrial pressing machines so before 2010 around 80% of the pressing plants will be shut down due to aging of the existent machinery.
if so, you can imagine those plants still standing will be flooded with orders and the prices will explode

What happened is that the major conglomerates (in the music industry) bought out all the pressing plants with intentions to shut them down. There are a few independant plants that will never sell out...the problem now is that they are going to stop making the material that is used to make vinyl.....apparently its really bad for the environment...

why not take all the waste vinyl out there (Glenn medeiros etc...) and recycle it into fresh tunes

alien pimp · Post by **alien pimp** » Mon Jun 04, 2007 3:54 pm

can't waist glenn, that's a monument dedicated to cheesyness that everybody should collect. GEM!

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