Reverb usage (Room size)

[marktplatz]

Word. I actually have been using pretty much just insert reverbs of all different parameters for a while to suit instruments individually. Still, the idea of letting multiple instruments mingle in one reverb is something I want to explore further now that it's been brought to my attention.

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[. . .] this is music. Do it by ear. Back in the day, before tape and digital delays and reverb units, instruments would have to be recorded in certain rooms to give 'em the desired atmosphere and it was usually different for each instrument.

yup and even beyond that, things still get tracked wet, to save resources or make the most of them. Reverb is one of those things, you can just use it so many different ways. It's never a bad idea to experiment, too. Pre- vs. Post- compression, is one minor detail that makes an insane amount of difference.

the idea of letting multiple instruments mingle in one reverb is something I want to explore further now that it's been brought to my attention.

definitely explore that route. It's handy, from creating realistic shared spaces, to the whole other end of the spectrum -- creating a garbled messy sea of reverberations coming from multiple sources. Actually now that you mention it, something i've never tried doing ... Feeding a few samples into a reverb whose pitches create a harmony, then sampling the verb's output... using it as a chord/pad? I've resampled reverb tails, sure, but never did it with multiple sources being sent in, whose pitches / timbres would create something new as the end result. Great inspiration in that.

[marktplatz]

Very nice idea, you could get yourself into a whole parallel shoegaze/drone dimension with that. That could be especially interesting if you figured out a way to work with just intonation and/or non-Western tunings. I wish there were a way to implement such tunings systematically and simply in Reason.

Really digging that 13 basslines mix, by the way, especially the acid traxx in the first part. Dancing in my seat. I appreciate that you're exploring bass with some interesting harmonics without getting to the midrange-cack level, like classic Skream or Benga - it seems to be an underexplored area these days.

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heh, thanks very much. Thats just what i'm shooting for.. it's the side of dubstep that really drew me in.

as per your eastern scales/intonations dilemma in Reason... maybe the best way to go about that would be to gather as many pitched multisamples as you can get a hold of, set up some sampler patches. mix a couple of tones together in an rv7000 via a send channel. all depends on the source material. I'm thinking de-tuning a synth or premade sampler patch isn't quite what you're going for. Also look into some impulse response tones... those might be interesting sound sources.

anyway, it's given me some fresh ideas about making a combinator with a few rv7000's churning out the main sounds' outputs (rather than a traditional dry signal being the focal point). If i get anywhere good with it, i'll be back here with a patch to share.

[marktplatz]

Those ideas make sense. My working method currently is mainly to record my own audio samples (my own voice, instruments, or household objects) and it would be easy (well, time-consuming but straightforward) to map a tonal sample in multiple zones into a sampler, one zone per key, and tune those zones as desired.

As far as using a fully-wet reverb sound, I stumbled into a method of making a drumset out of a Subtractor noise patch routed through an RV7 with really small room size and short decay time, where the resonances of the reverb make it sound like realistic drums, and maybe some bass-boosting and compression after that. The noise patch has a key-tracked bandpass filter so that low notes are a dull thud and high notes hiss, and when fed through the RV7 it becomes a whole range of sounds from kick through tom, snare, and hats. The only problem is that the reverb's response is somewhat inconsistent, which I've noticed in other reverb applications in Reason as well, and so the strength of the drum hits at constant velocity can vary more than is desirable. I can share the patch if you're curious.

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i am curious... could swap patches maybe. i need to get back on the studio machine and fuck around in reason
altho i am still on version 4 without plans to update any time soon =\

[marktplatz]

Yeah, that sounds good. I think the drumset should work fine with Reason 4. (I don't know the procedure for sharing a patch, should I just upload it to my website and give you the download link?)

[mitchAUS]

Yeah tend to use sends too little so far.

Busses and Sends are your friends

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Yeah, that sounds good. I think the drumset should work fine with Reason 4. (I don't know the procedure for sharing a patch, should I just upload it to my website and give you the download link?)

that would be fine. whatever works..
I think i have a sendspace acct. I have been super fucking booked but will have some Reason tinkering time on the weekend.

[marktplatz]

Forgot about this for a while, sorry, here is the direct download link for the combi. The combinator is just a holder, its contents aren't routed through it, so I don't know if you'll have to manually make a track for the Subtractor inside it upon loading. If it turns out messed up or empty or something, let me know. Make sure to check out the full range of pitches (C-2 to C8 or whatever the top is), as only the very bottom is deep kicks, while the very top is good for hats. Around C0 is more of a floor tom timbre, C1+ maybe snares, gradually moving into hat territory in the octaves further up. I also have had some success with "chords" to add a wider frequency range for some hits. It's also interesting of course to tweak parameters on the Subtractor and fx to see how it can morph around.