In the words of Duncan Bannatyne..... Im out.

[JBoy]

Its all down to numbers, less people that were more of a community supporting the original dubstep. With all the shit 'sub genre's' nowadays its no wonder theres disagreement between people.

[NiGHTS_24]

isn't it that its so easy to sign up to the forum that you get a load of thread hating this and that.Or someone just posting a youtube video of a song they have. I know i havent been on this forum for long manly because i dont post alot of stuff on the internet anyway. But i do look at the forum on a daily basis and to me its seems every 2nd thread is a hating on something or some rubbish like zomby is burial burial is zomby which can go on for pages, like most things on the internet its going to lose that family appeal when the forum gets bigger.

[JBoy]

You cant complain about a scene or a forum going downhill when some of the original and biggest names play nothing but aggy bro music. People loved dubstep for being deep, dark and dangerous so its no wonder they bitch about the newer stuff.

[pete_bubonic]

Ironically I think a lot of the dickhead vibes come from the youth that you (Plasticman) are so vehemently defending. As far as I can see/have read, the older heads who have been around from day, welcome everyone with open arms, might crack a few jokes still, but are wise/mature enough to know everything evolves and moves on and not always to their taste. It's the younger, usually single genre dedicated heads that say stupid things and claim others are dickheads for whatever minor reason.

Personally I can't help feel disappointed that the very sound that turned me off Drum and Bass has crept into Dubstep, slowed itself down by 30 bpm and called itself something, imo, it's not. Then to drive the point home, so many of the established heads who made their name off of this great meditative sound, don't want to be associated with 'Dubstep' any more and now produce throwback and, on the whole, boring (imo) House. I certainly don't take it out on anyone, nor say the ridiculous things some people say on here to make their voice heard. But I have an opinion and a forum is a place to discuss them, rationally and reasonably.

Instead of getting so twisted up about a bunch of 15 year olds cussing your sound down (and I'm sure the majority of us have all done that at some point in our younger days), perhaps just represent your own corner. Don't read the shit you know will piss you off, ignore the haters, they're always going to be there and focus on all the great positive things (let alone the promo you have got from here) that have come out of this forum, the 180 replies to this thread: http://www.dubstepforum.com/viewtopic.p ... plastician or the 54 appreciation replies to this thread: http://www.dubstepforum.com/viewtopic.p ... plastician or the 300 responses to your album: http://www.dubstepforum.com/viewtopic.p ... plastician

[brasco]

A lot of this boils down to acute frustration. Frustration at a scene which for the large part has moved away from the very ideals and culture that attracted so many people in the first place. I wonder how the original community would have reacted to this 'evolution' or IMO devolution if it had happened back in 2006/7. Quite probably the exact same way. I am not perfect, yes I will not always welcome with open arms every skrillex thread etc, but it is born from a frustration of what this scene has become.

There are many here in the same boat as me, people who struggle to get bookings/signed because the sound we represent is now considered as living in dinosaur times. Just ignore it?- sometimes it us very hard to. It is depressing that now whenever someone asks what I dj, the very notion of dubstep throws up connotations that leave me having to justify why I choose the original sounds over a bastardisation of what we fell in love with in the first place.

Take this weekend, you may feel it was a great time for the scene,but arguably for a lot of us it was a darkest we've ever seen. People dying from drugs, the dmas making music a competition, that poor girl off her head being caught in the front row. Youngsta and KM playing in ROOM 3 of a BASS culture night to a crowd of 10.

Surely it is understandable why so many heads on here are just for want if a better word, gutted and frustrated

[JBoy]

With hatcha, benga, skream, artwork and yes plastician all playing bro music, what does that say about the scene?

[mIrReN]

What Joeki/Pete says.


Furthermore I can understand it, I've tried educating some of them but haha really just go through the topics where someone places the newest hardest dubstep tune plastician they DONT WANT to know other then their screechy noise. Even if you tell them nicely even if ppl say not all of us are stnuc even if we just recommend tunes. It's mostly the same response to it. I don't come here very often anymore I have no idea where to look anymore for topics full of sick ass tunes where I use to have lot's of topics ;(. To repeat what I've said in a closed down topic (but seriously I need help can't much good topics around here anylonger where must I look ? ;() I used to find lots of jungle/grime etc now I can hardly find dubstep here xD

I hope to see u play live and not the stuff I don't like! Ur still on my to-do list and mucho respect to you sir.

ps; I live in Belgium so if you're in Belgium pls don't play the screechy stuff not even 1 tune kthx oh and it's very weird maybe to ask this but I've seen some really big originators play broshizzle and I don't pay/go for that.

[cityzen]

With hatcha, benga, skream, artwork and yes plastician all playing bro music, what does that say about the scene?

There's money to be made?

[LA_Boxers]

Not every thread gets flamed, and occasionally 1 out of 100 threads posted where the person who has come in looking for FILTHy WOBBLEZZ, has been educated in a normal, nice, non-aggressive way. But theres only a certain amount of times that you can hear ''wheres the drop'' etc without flaming somebody thats looking for insight from people that actually know and appreciate what dubstep is.



Would we be where we are now if the original dubstep sound had been the mid-range stuff we have today??




I doubt it.

[baddis98]

you lot are taking the forum and yourselves way too serious.
these "problems" have nothing to do with the actual scene, but with the simple nature of the internet and the fact that sites like this, social networks, youtube etc are growing faster and faster, with more and more people talking and less and less people having actually something to say.
i've been around different music forums and i see the very same things happening EVERYWHERE.
and i've come to the conclusion that forums of this kind are NEVER representative for a whole scene, but only a small aspect of it.
i understand that you don't want to be part of a online community any more, but i think you're making a mistake by reflecting these things onto the scene itself.

[Mizzoo]

you lot are taking the forum and yourselves way too serious.
these "problems" have nothing to do with the actual scene, but with the simple nature of the internet and the fact that sites like this, social networks, youtube etc are growing faster and faster, with more and more people talking and less and less people having actually something to say.
i've been around different music forums and i see the very same things happening EVERYWHERE.
and i've come to the conclusion that forums of this kind are NEVER representative for a whole scene, but only a small aspect of it.
i understand that you don't want to be part of a online community any more, but i think you're making a mistake by reflecting these things onto the scene itself.

[brasco]

Dubstep forum can still have a major role in the scene, where else can you find out about events/releases/giveaways/have discussion etc in one place?

To understand the problems this forum has you need to look at the state of the scene as a whole, and not just point fingers at the existing members of this site.

[ultraspatial]

A real eye opener. From now on I'm gonna give skrillex and flux pavilion the recognition they deserve.

[Johnlenham]

I have to say part of the problem (imo) is people seems to have really short attention spans these days.
Like there is no subtlety to it its just in your face its almost impossible to not "get" it with all the drops and noise and most tracks are like 3-4mins tops? Now Im no going to say I hate all of it but I have come from New sound to Old (humor me ) and I can see which Is superior now and Im moving further way from Newsound and its also allowed me to have a far better appreciation of Garage and House

I got two friends into EDM this year, into DnB, Dub and so on. But one of them just cannot seem to grasp the difference between say Nero and Zomby, Zomby is "boring" "nothing happens" like she needs to be repeatedly whacked around the face with sound to understand it or something?

It wears me down trying to explain to her alone so I can imagine after the 1000th time on here it starts to wear thin

Not sure what the point of this is but to say its possible for brosteps folks to come over to the darkside but it will be a tough slog with the low attention span of the brostep crowd. Probably should be renamed as a genre to stop pissing people off aswell

[Forth+Back]

Are we not getting to a stage where a separate forum page for bro/filth/whatever you want to call it might be an option? I know there were reasons previously for not doing this but surely it would allow people to home in on the style they want to discuss or read about (as they do with the house forum already) and avoid at least some of this constant bickering that seems to prevail on a daily basis.

[Riddles]

Are we not getting to a stage where a separate forum page for bro/filth/whatever you want to call it might be an option? I know there were reasons previously for not doing this but surely it would allow people to home in on the style they want to discuss or read about (as they do with the house forum already) and avoid at least some of this constant bickering that seems to prevail on a daily basis.

I was thinking about this idea earlier, can't really see any issues with it

[wilson]

http://forum.ukfmusic.com/

[pete_bubonic]

http://forum.ukfmusic.com/

Gotta love the comparison between the DMA thread on there and on here, no wonder so many people begin to hate this place.

[Kirei]

Surely though Plastician what you're hitting out at is mirrored among the DJs themselves. Kromestar said it at the Cable night a few weeks back: he "fucking hates brostep". It's not surprising that this disconnect manifests itself among the fans when those genuinely pushing the music are also becoming disillusioned. There probably is a little too much elitism on this forum and a little too much trolling, but it's because those doing it are fed up with the ignorance being displayed among those who don't have any respect for the origins of the scene.

[Rossco]

Right, I very rarely post on here; mainly due to the reasons mentioned above.

I was a massive UK Garage head back in the day and progressed like many of the older members of this forum. A word of warning, this is exactly what happened to the old Uptown Records Forum which was the garage equivalent of DSF and also what RWD is to Grime. Its progression, as a scene moves on people get form an elitist view; visa-vi the new school vs evolution.

UKG & Grime is still going strong in other places, as will the dubstep sound which many of the members of this forum pine for.

Dont hate on the new school, lets not turn this into Uptown part deus.

EVOLUTION.