Bassline Movement

[Electric_Head]

Not sure if this is what you want.

http://futuregarageforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=4809

[hxczach]

Not sure if this is what you want.

http://futuregarageforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=4809

Wow, yes this is exactly what I wanted. I ran across that link in my searches but never watched the video. I only read through the text and couldn't figure it out. Thanks a lot man.

[Undrig]

This should get a sticky.

[lloydy]

Just like to thank wub for this thread,some serious info in here.I am having a muck about with the velocity to sample start with kontakt and it is really good for getting fucked up sounds.Just a little add to the patch i'm doing i have put velocity to sample start also set a bpfilter up with velocity set up to control rate and velocity to control phase position you should all try this because you get some serious results.I am working on a remix of a tune from the blade runner score and its gonna have the best bass/mid growler i have ever put together so thanks wub you the don and thumbs up to this as a sticky more info in here than your average beginner could shake a stick out.

[naroja]

Just like to thank wub for this thread,some serious info in here.I am having a muck about with the velocity to sample start with kontakt and it is really good for getting fucked up sounds.Just a little add to the patch i'm doing i have put velocity to sample start also set a bpfilter up with velocity set up to control rate and velocity to control phase position you should all try this because you get some serious results.I am working on a remix of a tune from the blade runner score and its gonna have the best bass/mid growler i have ever put together so thanks wub you the don and thumbs up to this as a sticky more info in here than your average beginner could shake a stick out.

Yeah, big up Wub! This has been an amazing thread!!!

One thing I'm surprised no one mentioned is Phasers. Phasers seem to give me the most movement & nastiness if done right.\\
Just make sure you have a lot of difference in your movement when doing phaser driven movement. (not just a sine wave + an equal rate) - You can get a prettty fat juicy baseline out of a phaser behind a compressor / limiter / overdrive / dist / whatever fattens up your sound.

Another thing - if you're not using Phasers, get your base sound's waveform to change a lot!
For example: If you're using Zebra, draw out 4-5 unique waveforms and morph between them. If you're using Massive, try out one of the oscillators that has a lot of range, like carbon or scrapyard etc... Or in FM8 - try actually modulating the values of each input / output signal & also try out the morph square with sounds that change tremendously!

[lloydy]

Just like to thank wub for this thread,some serious info in here.I am having a muck about with the velocity to sample start with kontakt and it is really good for getting fucked up sounds.Just a little add to the patch i'm doing i have put velocity to sample start also set a bpfilter up with velocity set up to control rate and velocity to control phase position you should all try this because you get some serious results.I am working on a remix of a tune from the blade runner score and its gonna have the best bass/mid growler i have ever put together so thanks wub you the don and thumbs up to this as a sticky more info in here than your average beginner could shake a stick out.

Yeah, big up Wub! This has been an amazing thread!!!

One thing I'm surprised no one mentioned is Phasers. Phasers seem to give me the most movement & nastiness if done right.\\
Just make sure you have a lot of difference in your movement when doing phaser driven movement. (not just a sine wave + an equal rate) - You can get a prettty fat juicy baseline out of a phaser behind a compressor / limiter / overdrive / dist / whatever fattens up your sound.

Another thing - if you're not using Phasers, get your base sound's waveform to change a lot!
For example: If you're using Zebra, draw out 4-5 unique waveforms and morph between them. If you're using Massive, try out one of the oscillators that has a lot of range, like carbon or scrapyard etc... Or in FM8 - try actually modulating the values of each input / output signal & also try out the morph square with sounds that change tremendously!

This is what i have done using techniques in this thread today plus using phaser plug to fatten it up.
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[subfect]

Been doing this stuff for a while now - has been the only way I can get really interesting notched basslines

[Undrig]

I'm still not sure how to incorporate tempo based fx into the sound without it falling apart when veering away from the root note. Any ideas?

[Electric_Head]

I'm still not sure how to incorporate tempo based fx into the sound without it falling apart when veering away from the root note. Any ideas?

Let the FX follow the note change then

[Undrig]

If I bounce down a sound with a 16th filter lfo on it to c1 when I tread out into other notes the lfo will not sync to the host tempo any longer. So if I go bonkers with fx on one note with time based stuff like delays etc, the same will happen since the audio is resampled destructively based on the tips outlined originally.

[Undrig]

The only workaround I see is either applying the fx after (which defeats the purpose of doing this to save cpu) or resampling each note with the same fx applied to an octave or two.

[serox]

Interesting.

[dougriley]

i know this is probably a silly question, but could i use the q-link knobs on my akai mpk mini to do the same thing as the pitch bend wheel to track through the sample?

sorry, i'm just getting used to using hardware

very cool concept, thanks for posting up these techniques!

[Deaph]

giving this a go right now
cheers for this

Edit: for those using Ableton. i got some great results from the above process by adding a velocity plug-in in front of sampler and throwing the random at full whack

[serox]

I'm still not sure how to incorporate tempo based fx into the sound without it falling apart when veering away from the root note. Any ideas?

What do u mean falling apart? Things just don't sound right?

[naroja]

I'm still not sure how to incorporate tempo based fx into the sound without it falling apart when veering away from the root note. Any ideas?

I've had the same problem before... which sometimes, it could have to do with your DAW / Latency issues, but besides that, I have an idea for you -

Apply the effect fully wet, then bounce it to a separate track, then quantitize it.

Not sure if this would really work too well, but it may... Try it out!

[zonetrooper5]

Definitely gonna use this for future tracks, cheers for the tips.

[zonetrooper5]

Definitely gonna use this for future tracks, cheers for the tips.

[serox]

Who was it who wrote these anyway? wondering what music they make.

[Undrig]

I'm still not sure how to incorporate tempo based fx into the sound without it falling apart when veering away from the root note. Any ideas?

What do u mean falling apart? Things just don't sound right?

Let's say I take a 60 second sine wave and assign a lfo filter set to 16th note at 140bpm. I bounce that and drag the bounced wav into note c1 in Kontakt and drag it across the span of an octave from c1-c2. Once I stray from c1 the pitch obviously changes and that 16th note lfo filter no longer syncs to 140bpm.