NY compression vs Send compression.

[sunny_b_uk]

im not into compression much but i sometimes do parallel compression/parallel limiting since its great for glueing busses together and adding more life without the pumping effect. i used the antares modern plugins and use my DAW's dry/wet mix on the FX for them since those plugins dont introduce any delays what so ever, even in their limiters.
dont know if anyone else tries parallel limiting but it usually sounds better to me

[RandoRando]

but wait.. parallel the compressor is getting the input signal at a full level .

if you do i through sends, you would be essentially turning the send knob to as much as youd like the squashed drums to come through right? but the compressor would also be receiving the input at a very low signal and squashing that low input signal.

does that make sense? would it make any difference because the compressor would be getting a very quiet signal?

[bassinine]

same thing, different levels.

[bassinine]

but wait.. parallel the compressor is getting the input signal at a full level .

if you do i through sends, you would be essentially turning the send knob to as much as youd like the squashed drums to come through right? but the compressor would also be receiving the input at a very low signal and squashing that low input signal.

does that make sense? would it make any difference because the compressor would be getting a very quiet signal?

send knob will just control the dB of the signal being sent to the compressor (as in, turning your send down would be the same thing as lowering the dry channel's volume). you'd have to adjust the threshold on the compressor to compensate for the input signal having different levels - that would adjust how much it's squashed, just like how it always is.

[RandoRando]

but wait.. parallel the compressor is getting the input signal at a full level .

if you do i through sends, you would be essentially turning the send knob to as much as youd like the squashed drums to come through right? but the compressor would also be receiving the input at a very low signal and squashing that low input signal.

does that make sense? would it make any difference because the compressor would be getting a very quiet signal?

send knob will just control the dB of the signal being sent to the compressor (as in, turning your send down would be the same thing as lowering the dry channel's volume). you'd have to adjust the threshold on the compressor to compensate for the input signal having different levels - that would adjust how much it's squashed, just like how it always is.

oh ok thats what i needed to hear, so have a very low threshold, becuase you want it to be compressed even at low input volume

[Eat Bass]

thanks for the info guys.

im still a little shaky on the whole phasing thing. can someone more knowledgeable please enlighten us? how would one eliminate phasing issues when using NY compression? i just want to make sure before i do this because i would like to fatten up my drums this way.

[RandoRando]

thanks for the info guys.

im still a little shaky on the whole phasing thing. can someone more knowledgeable please enlighten us? how would one eliminate phasing issues when using NY compression? i just want to make sure before i do this because i would like to fatten up my drums this way.

I never run into phasing issues. The wet signal isn't the same as the dry. Its squashed to hell so it's not essentially the same waveform. And you can eq the wet signal to avoid phasing even more.

[Eat Bass]

thanks for the info guys.

im still a little shaky on the whole phasing thing. can someone more knowledgeable please enlighten us? how would one eliminate phasing issues when using NY compression? i just want to make sure before i do this because i would like to fatten up my drums this way.

I never run into phasing issues. The wet signal isn't the same as the dry. Its squashed to hell so it's not essentially the same waveform. And you can eq the wet signal to avoid phasing even more.

ok i guess ill give it a try.

as far as levels go im guessing you want the dry signal a tad higher than the wet or just so that the peaks shine over the compressed version? this way the dynamics are still there but the rest of the drums are a lot more meaty? i have a feeling its going to take some time to perfect the amount of compression and set the levels to get everything sounding right.

[Basic A]

thanks for the info guys.

im still a little shaky on the whole phasing thing. can someone more knowledgeable please enlighten us? how would one eliminate phasing issues when using NY compression? i just want to make sure before i do this because i would like to fatten up my drums this way.

Read my post in that thread I linked, the one that wub biggup'd.

passthrough setup on a copy of same plugin on your dry effect channel. so like, ratio 0:0, threshold 0db, put that on the one your not compressing, itll introduce the plugin latency your daw is having trouble compensating for, essentially compensating for it yourself.

[grooki]

never a bad idea to have a really funky compressor-- or a couple-- set up as sends in a mix session. that way you can send any # of elements to them, have things push and pull against each other, and bring those vibin' relationships into the mixdown.

this is an absolutely swizzlin' idea.