Why are so many dubstep fans so protective of the genre?

[JTMMusicuk]

if you have only just discovered a genre of music your not going to know much about it and probably will be very ignorant about the bigger picture of how its all came about, im guessing people arent deliberately going out there to spread wrong information but theyl be spreading what theyve been told from other people who probably are quite new to the scene aswel, it does my head in when people expect eveyone to have researched every genre of music from its start to the present day just so they can comment on it

[Genevieve]

Brostep was hated before it broke through the mainstream. And it was hated for being samey and because a lot of dubstep started to sound like it. In fact, when dubstep first started getting 'brutal', no one cared. It was one of the many 'sounds'. It sort of got out hand after 'Eastern Jam'. But no one said that it was 'not dubstep'.

Now that brostep made it big, the problem is suddenly that it's 'not dubstep' and has 'no connection to the original sound'. I'm sorry but... the original sound was El-B and Horsepower Productions. Ital Tek, Boxcutter, Shackleton, Joker, all the dungeon stuff, etc, is just as far removed from the original sound as brostep is, with or without sub bass.

Hell, I was under the impression that the diversity in dubstep WAS a good thing? And that being far removed from what a bunch of 2-step producers did over 10 years ago is a sign of progress and diversity rather than stagnation?

This disassociation from brostep is merely saving face. You love dubstep, but you don't want people to think that what you love sounds like Skrillex. Period.

[howzer]

I consider myself still fairly new to the genre and I've been listening to it for a few years.... theres just so much dubstep out there in different forms... I try to ignore the kids who think skrillex is the only type of dubstep but I don't hate on them because it brings exposure for the whole genre... because more and more people will start checking out other dubstep artists and will find much better dubstep out there. growth is a good thing!!

[hdechter]

I'm sorry but... the original sound was El-B and Horsepower Productions. Ital Tek, Boxcutter, Shackleton, Joker, all the dungeon stuff, etc, is just as far removed from the original sound as brostep is, with or without sub bass.

This X10000....love when people say shit like Box Clever and Osiris are true to the "original" sound.

Out of interest OP if I say techno what artists do you think of?

I dunno I don't listen to techno I don't think.

You should start.

[tacospheros]

maybe the reason people are so protective is because it's literally been infiltrated by people who don't understand it and have turned it into a disfigured walking shell of it's original self, and the majority of people now think that's what dubstep is

[JTMMusicuk]

maybe the reason people are so protective is because it's literally been infiltrated by people who don't understand it and have turned it into a disfigured walking shell of it's original self, and the majority of people now think that's what dubstep is

why do you have to understand it man, to be fair brostep has got alot more popular than true dubstep has ever gotten. Music is and always will be a progression and the further away the bro sound gets from your style the better because then eventually people will be introduced to it as bro and not dubstep

[exfox]

For my examples, I'm not a fanboy for either of these guys, and I know so many people are gonna come straight and say "but dude that is not dubstep" But seriously, cry me a river.
Example 1: Ellie Goulding Lights (Bassnectar Remix)
Example 2: Skrillex - Scary Monsters and Nice Sprites
(These are the two most obvious examples of where all the underground boys come out and claim it ain't dubstep)

they ain't dubstep though... they both got the stick sound that makes fast aspect of the track, thus they technically are srebme break. plus dubplate culture & acetate, etc

[Sexual_Chocolate]

maybe the reason people are so protective is because it's literally been infiltrated by people who don't understand it and have turned it into a disfigured walking shell of it's original self, and the majority of people now think that's what dubstep is

this.

i dont know whether its ignorance or just a plain lack of knowledge, but that fact that you get people coming in saying "THIS IS DUBSTEP" and then continue to discredit the orginal sound is what gets to me.

[ehbes]

One of the things that i see a lot is that people say there is no musical value to brostep but that there is in the deeper stuff.so Do think that the arguments going on about what is true dubstep would be the same if the genre started out as brostep and progressed into the deeper stuff?

[Sexual_Chocolate]

One of the things that i see a lot is that people say there is no musical value to brostep but that there is in the deeper stuff.so Do think that the arguments going on about what is true dubstep would be the same if the genre started out as brostep and progressed into the deeper stuff?

well, one could agrue that the roots of this genre were created through the tearout of garage music at the time.... atleast the darker, grimier, heavier stuff.... and that was increadibly musical

[fractal]

Brostep was hated before it broke through the mainstream. And it was hated for being samey and because a lot of dubstep started to sound like it. In fact, when dubstep first started getting 'brutal', no one cared. It was one of the many 'sounds'. It sort of got out hand after 'Eastern Jam'. But no one said that it was 'not dubstep'.

Now that brostep made it big, the problem is suddenly that it's 'not dubstep' and has 'no connection to the original sound'. I'm sorry but... the original sound was El-B and Horsepower Productions. Ital Tek, Boxcutter, Shackleton, Joker, all the dungeon stuff, etc, is just as far removed from the original sound as brostep is, with or without sub bass.

Hell, I was under the impression that the diversity in dubstep WAS a good thing? And that being far removed from what a bunch of 2-step producers did over 10 years ago is a sign of progress and diversity rather than stagnation?

This disassociation from brostep is merely saving face. You love dubstep, but you don't want people to think that what you love sounds like Skrillex. Period.

[ehbes]

One of the things that i see a lot is that people say there is no musical value to brostep but that there is in the deeper stuff.so Do think that the arguments going on about what is true dubstep would be the same if the genre started out as brostep and progressed into the deeper stuff?

well, one could agrue that the roots of this genre were created through the tearout of garage music at the time.... atleast the darker, grimier, heavier stuff.... and that was increadibly musical

I'm aware I'm just speaking hypothetically

[Sexual_Chocolate]

One of the things that i see a lot is that people say there is no musical value to brostep but that there is in the deeper stuff.so Do think that the arguments going on about what is true dubstep would be the same if the genre started out as brostep and progressed into the deeper stuff?

well, one could agrue that the roots of this genre were created through the tearout of garage music at the time.... atleast the darker, grimier, heavier stuff.... and that was increadibly musical

I'm aware I'm just speaking hypothetically

nothing hypothetical about it really... its the truth!

lol... but yea, i get what your on about

[Lethal Dosage]

I consider myself still fairly new to the genre and I've been listening to it for a few years.... theres just so much dubstep out there in different forms... I try to ignore the kids who think skrillex is the only type of dubstep but I don't hate on them because it brings exposure for the whole genre... because more and more people will start checking out other dubstep artists and will find much better dubstep out there. growth is a good thing!!

This.

I was introduced to dubstep from listening to skrillex. Personally I am a big fan of music and when I find a genre I like I'll look for as much of it as I can by reading up on it and it's background and roots. It took awhile but I discovered dubstep isn't about the sound skrillex puts forward. I'm not listening to it to go mad, it's not metal. Dubstep is a meditative music that can be smoked to and thats what its all about. Jah bless.

[johnkimble]

dunno sry i only listne to post future garage

[Lectric]

I just hate saying I listen to dubstep only to have people think I listen to "farting robots", so i show them real dubstep to educate them on what i actually listen to. the word dubstep has been stretched to accommodate bullshit wobs and yoys and screeching synths that completely juxtapose the main goals of dubstep: minimalism and sub bass.

[JBoy]

YAH MON JAH BLESS AN TING.

[Pistonsbeneath]

i remember in 2005 when i was passionate and wanted to spread the word of this music as it was truly a genre to be proud of and i never actually thought it would get huge and gave it all the help it could get.

I pushed/put on events, ordered music into the store i worked where i ran the dance section / talked about it with pride and delighted in showing people the amazing music such as hotflushes stuff, vex'd, dmz big apple records etc etc as well as boxcutter and ital tek (i booked mr myson to play above a pub in croydon 2005 before he got signed to planet mu) and tbh a handful of people came..

im sure for many people they have similar stories.....many people pushed the genre with a passion and wanted it to be known and appreciated and i guess in exposing it to more people than it would have been truly did get the word out collectively..

that kind of behaviour is NOT elitist first of all...

spreading the word of the music you love is evangelism not trying to keep it an exclusive club...

and as it grew it was wicked and nights started to get busier and busier and this was all before fabriclive 37....then that happened and whilst it is by contrast to now a decent cd it really was the end of an upward trajectory and from that everything was different..

people put in the effort,the love and their time putting on nights to noone losing money during those times of dubstep being an unfamilar word to all of the sort of people that have jumped on and all of the dungeon generation too sure and the result of their efforts is seeing something they loved being raped and squeezed by the money men and the majority of people being totally willfully ignorant to the root and core and beating heart of this music..

thats why many people are so protective....because without them collectively you wouldnt know what it is and youre not in the slightest bit interested in educating yourself.

[JBoy]

i remember in 2005 when i was passionate and wanted to spread the word of this music as it was truly a genre to be proud of and i never actually thought it would get huge and gave it all the help it could get.

I pushed/put on events, ordered music into the store i worked where i ran the dance section / talked about it with pride and delighted in showing people the amazing music such as hotflushes stuff, vex'd, dmz big apple records etc etc as well as boxcutter and ital tek (i booked mr myson to play above a pub in croydon 2005 before he got signed to planet mu) and tbh a handful of people came..

im sure for many people they have similar stories.....many people pushed the genre with a passion and wanted it to be known and appreciated and i guess in exposing it to more people than it would have been truly did get the word out collectively..

that kind of behaviour is NOT elitist first of all...

spreading the word of the music you love is evangelism not trying to keep it an exclusive club...

and as it grew it was wicked and nights started to get busier and busier and this was all before fabriclive 37....then that happened and whilst it is by contrast to now a decent cd it really was the end of an upward trajectory and from that everything was different..

people put in the effort,the love and their time putting on nights to noone losing money during those times of dubstep being an unfamilar word to all of the sort of people that have jumped on and all of the dungeon generation too sure and the result of their efforts is seeing something they loved being raped and squeezed by the money men and the majority of people being totally willfully ignorant to the root and core and beating heart of this music..

thats why many people are so protective....because without them collectively you wouldnt know what it is and youre not in the slightest bit interested in educating yourself.

Definately agree with your post mate but theres too much ignorance about nowadays for people to even understand

[Maccaveli]

I find it funny that people who come in here and basically chastise us for not accepting brostep act like we're the narrow minded ones, when brostep is generally the only kind of dubstep they listen to. Samdam1, I can pretty much guarantee that of all the people in the thread, if there's anyone who needs to open up to more kinds of dubstep it's you.

It's not even as black and white as you make it out to be, I mean I'm listening to Woo Boost by Rusko as I type this. There's lots of us here who like some brostep here and there. People's attempts to disassociate the other sounds of dubstep from Skrillex and co. are more to do with the culture and stereotypes that come along with that kind of music rather than the technical aspects of the music itself.

You're pretty much misunderstanding the whole issue and making way too many assumptions and generalisations.