What are the benefits of Logic?

[ketamine]

everything from film scores to pop tracks to commerical music and everything in between. PT is for engineers, logic is for writers-- that's been the breakdown.

This man knows what he's talking about. Truth.

[AxeD]

I think nowaysj is referring to the actual recording industry, or the 'real' audio industry. Where -of course- Pro Tools
is the absolute standard.

I've never heard of Pro Tools being unstable either. If it would ever freeze (never heard of a legit version freezing)
everything is always backed up.

I'm getting Pro Tools 10 soon (240 quid). Probably rewiring Reason into it

[Sonika]

Just a side note, Logic's flex tool is fucking amazing...miles ahead of Ableton's "warp" function or any of the other DAW's attempts...it's incredibly subtle when needed, very intuitive and responsive, but you can also use it to make it sound all glitchy and warped depending on what flex mode you're in. Really amazing for working with audio.


I've heard that logic is starting to gain a lot on Pro Tools, like mastering engineers are switching over. Is this true? Why is Pro Tools so heavily used for mastering?

[skimpi]

Just a side note, Logic's flex tool is fucking amazing...miles ahead of Ableton's "warp" function or any of the other DAW's attempts...it's incredibly subtle when needed, very intuitive and responsive, but you can also use it to make it sound all glitchy and warped depending on what flex mode you're in. Really amazing for working with audio.


I've heard that logic is starting to gain a lot on Pro Tools, like mastering engineers are switching over. Is this true? Why is Pro Tools so heavily used for mastering?

Ive never really used it except to pull a few bits in time, but I dunno, Ive heard good things about abletons warp to get some cray sounds

[Sonika]

yeah it's true for totally fucking up the sound, but not for subtle adjustments. The flex tool can also be used to completely mess with the sound like the warp tool if you want to, just use the "slicing" mode

[nowaysj]

PT is for engineers, logic is for writers

Agree that it is moving like that. But buying logic because it is the industry standard, is jokes, and we both know that the industry is pro tools, and all the protools (assholes) shit on anything that isn't protools. I've got no stake in this, I primarily use FL, a daw that is at BEST disparaged, and more often than not, not even known of .

Not saying anything as to the actual merits or functionality of Logic, can't speak to that at all.

If I see any kind of large scale movement with writers though, it is to ableton live.

[Sonika]

have you tried logic nowaysj? you should give it like a month

[AxeD]

If you can't work with a (hybrid) pro tools setup, you can't get a job in recording (or maybe even audio).
It's the standard and for good reason too.

[nowaysj]

have you tried logic nowaysj? you should give it like a month

Don't have anything against Logic, bro. I used to use logic when you were unborn.

I'd like to give it a shot nowadays, there are a few specific things in fl that are kind of irksome, but just saw a tutorial about how to set up auxes in logic to balance processing across processor cores... ew, really turned me off. I think there are still fundamentals in logic that maybe should be sorted. I'm personally very persnickty about my mixer, and honestly it would frustrate me greatly having to structure my tracks and auxes so as to balance processing load.

Am about to start building a new pc, and am thinking of buying hackingtosh compliant parts so that I can, perhaps, get a taste.

[Sonika]

I love the sends/aux system in logic, and I love the mixer....what do you not like about it? And yeah you should try it out again...I don't see anything against getting a cracked copy if you just want to try it out (logic doesn't give free trials) and then buying it if you like it or deleting it if you don't

[nowaysj]

I love the mixer....what do you not like about it?

Like I just said, setting up auxes to balance cpu processing, not something I want to be doing when I'm writing music. I want to put something where I want it, and that is it.

[jam1]

I can't praise Logic enough. Clean and easy to use. Switched from Reason a few months back (I ReWire Reason for various bits and pieces) and my tunes have improved no end. I've had quite a lot of help from friends who have been using Logic for years which helped me get into it quickly.

Plus, it's only £139.99 on the app store...

[Sharmaji]

honestly it would frustrate me greatly having to structure my tracks and auxes so as to balance processing load

i know some people have issues w/ this, but i've never had a problem w/ balancing core load. definitely not a game-changer.

PT is a cranky little bitch-- sorry, it's the truth. In every studio i've ever been in, for any session-- we're talking since the mid 90s when it was "Sonic Solutions"-- PT has quit and/or caused a whole system restart.

[nowaysj]

PT is a cranky little bitch

Yeah, they've had and never fixed issues for years. Just forced their users to deal with it due to their "market" "dominance" haha, have to put all these words in quotes.

[lloydy]

Like I just said, setting up auxes to balance cpu processing, not something I want to be doing when I'm writing music. I want to put something where I want it, and that is it.

It really really isn't that much of a problem,freeze function and bounce in place really make the process of balancing the cores redundant to be honest.If you have a pretty decent spec mac and are getting spikes due to unbalanced cores without looking at other work arounds you really shouldn't be at the stage of writing music.Logic lays it out simple enough for the user to get your workflow as quick as possible and that is what i love about the programme.My most recent track i had 40-60 plugs in the track with 15-20 tracks and about 10 busses and never got any spikes whatsoever and i haven't got the best mac on the market.To be honest if your tracks are running more plugs,tracks and busses than that and your not bouncing to audio or using the freeze function more fool you and no wonder your having spikes lol

[nowaysj]

There was a recent thread here with someone with a redic spec'ed mac, like 16gigs ram, top processor etc, and he was getting memory errors, or some such thing. The mac heads linked out to kb article addressing the issue, which suggested setting up auxes in a particular way so as to balance the load. Homie was not doing anything outrageous in his projects, and from what I've seen, poking around the web, this is not an uncommon problem. It was enough to chill me out, because I was ready to head out and snap up some hackingtosh parts.

The fact that apple hasn't figured out how to multithread plugins yet, well it is troublesome, no (for the industry standard - just being a dick now, my bad!)? Can you even buy a single core cpu anymore? Anyway, this is kind of sidetracking the op's thread, so I bid ch'all adieu.

[producedbyHANS]

alright so ive been a pretty long time logic user. ive used FL studio, cubase, reason, messed around with pro tools and ableton at school, and am currently learning presonus studio one. that being said i still prefer logic. (for now, but i plan on switching to studio one, which ive found is an upgraded, more intuitive version of logic)

the one thing that logic has over any other DAW out right now is a top quality sound library, as well as some of the best stock plugins. which makes it one of the best DAWs if your not using 3rd party plugins. the synths arent much though (im not a fan os the ES2, it just sounds thin and cheap to me)

some things about logic that i like:

-ultrabeat. very powerful, and i dont know of any stock drum sampler out there that is even as close to as deep as this. i have komplete, but i dont even use battery because ultrabeat gives me everything i need (multi outs, reversing samples, filters, LFOs, envelopes, synthesize your own drums, distortion, pitch modulation etc). used cubase at school and found it borderline pathetic how little it had to offer as far as legitimate samplers.

- exs24 sampler. like others have already mentioned, a very powerful sampler. again, i find myself using this over kontakt a lot of the time because its a lot less of a CPU hog and comes with some decent sounds.

-flex time. stupidly easy to timestretch and glitch out drum samples, fix timing on guitar/vocals etc.

-space designer (reverb) plugin. another DEEP plugin. i honestly wish there was a vst version of this s i could load it up in studio one, its probably one of the best reverbs ive used. (messing with the reverse reverb function is lots of fun)

the one gripe i have with logic is the automation. ableton is head and shoulders above the rest in that category IMO, and its what makes it ideal for someone thats doing purely electronic music. also the interface IMO is a bit ugly haha.

hope that helps man

[nowaysj]

What's the problem with Logic's automation?

[producedbyHANS]

its just not as intuitive ive found, when compared to ableton and even FL studio in some cases. nothing fundamentally wrong with it though, gets the job done.

one other thing about logic ive found though, is that using external controllers is a lot easier to set up in ableton and presonus studio one. again, nothing fundamentally wrong, but ableton and studio one i found give a little more to work with.

still my go to DAW though haha. im making the transition over to studio one right now but i always end up back in logic because of how good the native plugins/sounds are.

i think like others have mentioned, the workflow for logic is definitely geared more towards traditional songwriters rather than purely electronic producers. which is why i like it, being a primarily pop producer.

[paosciante]

I have never had any problems with logic's automation

And yes, its defenitly more geard towards people that want to writte songs or record sessions/jams instead of just sitting in front of the screen and clicking around, this also works much better for me as my "workflow" is basically turning on my machines, pressing play and then just playing for a coupe hours...