The Defenition of Dubstep

joseph-j · Post by **joseph-j** » Sat Apr 01, 2006 2:18 pm

MUNGO wrote:

Pfff. I don't buy that, sorry. You've just listed the history of breakbeat in the uk - that has zilch to do with dubstep itself. You could have written to same thing for breaks, for electro, for 'tech-house', for anything.

And as for dubstep and tech-house (what does that have to do with anything?) being made in Croydon over the "last two decades"..... I can't think of anything sarcastic enough for such a staggeringly ill-founded comment.

flaviano · Post by **flaviano** » Sat Apr 01, 2006 2:27 pm

Tech House is wank, we all know this, why bother mentioning it? its the darker dubbier side of techno that has an influential strain in dubstep, not the upbeat major key "tech house" shit

8bitwonder · Post by **8bitwonder** » Sat Apr 01, 2006 2:32 pm

flaviano wrote:Tech House is wank, we all know this, why bother mentioning it? its the darker dubbier side of techno that has an influential strain in dubstep, not the upbeat major key "tech house" shit

yeah thats true plastikman would laugh his bollox off if he new we were talkin about this

step brother · Post by **step brother** » Sat Apr 01, 2006 2:56 pm

....jokers dissing tech house.....post that crap somewhere else.
Be constructive and positive and speak for yourself.
Dubstep to me is almost the same as jungle when it started, it's about vibes in the party, its about capturing an expression, a feeling, creating a sound that feels moody and exciting, low and ruff yet inspiring and uplifting, to me the step part of the word refers to the classic step break or simply a type of breakbeat a type of dance, brock, step, stagger...i suppose it could have been called dub breaks..but the step is what defines it as a more underground radio street sound. possibly

baz · Post by **baz** » Sat Apr 01, 2006 3:22 pm

i love depth charge! it's unbelievable that the stuff on nine deadly venoms is nearly 20 years old.

blackdown · Post by **blackdown** » Sat Apr 01, 2006 3:22 pm

Step Brother wrote:the step part of the word refers to the classic step break or simply a type of breakbeat a type of dance, brock, step, stagger...

the step part of the word dubstep comes from the word 2step and implies the use of single hit drum programming not the use of breaks ( though of course you can program breakier elements using single hits but you get the jist).

8bitwonder · Post by **8bitwonder** » Sat Apr 01, 2006 3:24 pm

baz wrote:i love depth charge! it's unbelievable that the stuff on nine deadly venoms is nearly 20 years old.

safe

step brother · Post by **step brother** » Sat Apr 01, 2006 3:26 pm

i understand the term coming from 2 step, which came from techstep?
the step to me doesnt refer to a particular technical aspect its just a reference for something that sounds steppy.....but then you are a journo

8bitwonder · Post by **8bitwonder** » Sat Apr 01, 2006 3:29 pm

Step Brother wrote:i understand the term coming from 2 step, which came from techstep?

the only steps i know are the ones that this thread is gunna need to get out the hole its diggin

or somthin

mungo · Post by **mungo** » Sat Apr 01, 2006 3:30 pm

Pfff. I don't buy that, sorry. You've just listed the history of breakbeat in the uk - that has zilch to do with dubstep itself. You could have written to same thing for breaks, for electro, for 'tech-house', for anything.

And as for dubstep and tech-house (what does that have to do with anything?) being made in Croydon over the "last two decades"..... I can't think of anything sarcastic enough for such a staggeringly ill-founded comment.[/quote]

Joseph-j
have you heard Silver dub?
Its the most evil dub-step tune in history. you could drop that tonight & the kids would crap there tracksuits...
1991 bro.... 1991 thats 15 years old..
Same as 'waiting for the bass' by unique 3.... tunes first hand dub-step..
it may not be the latest & greatest dubplate out there but the Kids aint ever heard tracks of that calibre....

2 step half step steptoe rydem, I can see a definition of Dub-Step will be a long & lengthy process ..
true say step brother this thread is dead...

some-times you must look back in time to see the future...

step brother · Post by **step brother** » Sat Apr 01, 2006 3:31 pm

all light hearted discussion here, apart from dissing other scenes which i cant stand....so spoke my mind.

8bitwonder · Post by **8bitwonder** » Sat Apr 01, 2006 3:33 pm

MUNGO wrote:Pfff. I don't buy that, sorry. You've just listed the history of breakbeat in the uk - that has zilch to do with dubstep itself. You could have written to same thing for breaks, for electro, for 'tech-house', for anything.

And as for dubstep and tech-house (what does that have to do with anything?) being made in Croydon over the "last two decades"..... I can't think of anything sarcastic enough for such a staggeringly ill-founded comment.

Joseph-j
have you heard Silver dub?
Its the most evil dub-step tune in history. you could drop that tonight & the kids would crap there tracksuits...
1991 bro.... 1991 thats 15 years old..
Same as 'waiting for the bass' by unique 3.... tunes first hand dub-step..
it may not be the latest & greatest dubplate out there but the Kids aint ever heard tracks of that calibre....

2 step half step steptoe rydem, I can see a definition of Dub-Step will be a long & lengthy process ..
true say step brother this thread is dead...

some-times you must look back in time to see the future...

[/quote]
aye lad tha dunt know where thas goin until tha knows where tha bin--in a yorkshire accent of course

auralassassin · Post by **auralassassin** » Sat Apr 01, 2006 3:54 pm

haha, was someone bashing House music?

I love nothing more than when militant junglists try and tell me that they "don't like 4/4"

then I break them off a proper chunk, and calmly explain to them that 99% of all music is in 4/4 time, and that drum n bass and jungle fall into that production line as well. All said, 32 is divisible by 4... so is 24, so is 16, so is 12... 8... and gasp, so is 4.

Whatever moves you, moves you. No sense in genre snobbery. I think we can draw from all styles of music. Anyone who ONLY likes specific styles of music is not to be trusted making music, and definately not DJing.

That said, I've heard elements of Hiphop, Reggae, Ambient, Dub, Breaks, Funk, Jungle, Drum n bass, minimal techno, r&b, jazz, et al

And in some tracks, you will hear most of them... if you wanna get into semantics, house was among the first styles of dance music after classical, even before Disco and jazz... then comes electro, then the breakbeat and the hardcore, which took a little from funk and jazz and soul.. then came the hiphop which was along the same vein, only at lower tempo...

So you can bet your ass, if you don't like something, you should at least respect it--because you are listening to a product of something you don't like.

Branching out and getting bored of the status quo is what makes music exciting to me anymore--one day, I'm sure Dubstep will just be another group of wax to me, and I'll be on about something else... but I'll always have room for dubstep in my crates.

As it stands, I don't think dubstep is a SUBgenre... I think it's a genre of it's own, which draws from those which I've previously mentioned.

I'd REALLY love to hear Amon Tobin doing some Dubstep... his take on it would probably change the way we think of the whole style, really.

step brother · Post by **step brother** » Sat Apr 01, 2006 4:05 pm

actually it was a millitant junglist doing the 'bashing' so be carefull...were all very aggressive and have no musical experience or knowledge.

auralassassin · Post by **auralassassin** » Sat Apr 01, 2006 4:09 pm

Step Brother wrote:actually it was a millitant junglist doing the 'bashing' so be carefull...were all very aggressive and have no musical experience or knowledge.

Admitting that you have a problem is the first step

blackdown · Post by **blackdown** » Sat Apr 01, 2006 4:11 pm

auralassassin wrote:I love nothing more than when militant junglists try and tell me that they "don't like 4/4"

surely they don't actually mean the time signature 4/4, they mean four-to-the -floor, ie four kick drums on each of the four beats in the bar. the two expressions are often used interchangably

auralassassin wrote:I'd REALLY love to hear Amon Tobin doing some Dubstep... his take on it would probably change the way we think of the whole style, really.

and isn't boxcutter this the path boxcutter is taking?

isn't this squarepusher v original jungle all over again?

auralassassin · Post by **auralassassin** » Sat Apr 01, 2006 4:18 pm

I'm not feeling all of the boxcutter stuff I'm hearing... no reason really... I can't place what doesn't make it click for me. I am still new to the dubstep scene compared to some, so I'm not too good at picking out what makes it work for me. Some of the Boxcutter stuff I've heard is really working for me though.

Squarepusher is a lot more amen than I'd expect to be labeled as "dubstep" probably for the lack of the spacey quality... I really love Squarepusher though.

Amon Tobin is my favorite jungle producer though, and I just wish he wasn't travelling in the Neuro direction that he is.

flaviano · Post by **flaviano** » Sat Apr 01, 2006 4:36 pm

auralassassin:
I wasn't criticising House music on the whole, I was criticising a very specific subgenre, tech-house. If you're telling me I don't have the right to dislike certain styles of music, stop being such a hippie.

House music WAS NOT invented before disco and jazz by the way - or did you forget jazz existed before world war two? That's not to say there aren't some brilliant house tunes, and even house styles. Acid house is my favourite

auralassassin · Post by **auralassassin** » Sat Apr 01, 2006 5:09 pm

the first "house" record was pressed before the 1940's... I forget the name, but will gladly look it back up for you. It just wasn't called HOUSE, but is arguably the same thing, just a stripped down version, as it was way ahead of "house" as you know it.

and no, I don't think you have to like everything or even most things... but to discount them as being shit is pretty stupid, given that every genre draws from what came before it, and if not directly, it draws from a genre that draws from a genre that you hate... thats my point.

municiple · Post by **municiple** » Sat Apr 01, 2006 5:16 pm

I think it is dub, and the step refers to stepping forward, stepping up, steppin heavy, steppin over. Hopefully what dubstep is today will not be what dubstep is tomorrow. Pigeonholling and labelling seems to really hurt alot of music in the end. Lets all stop talking about it and simply post mp3s in response to the question.

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