Anders Behring Breivik is sane and gets 21yrs

[Electric_Head]

they should attempt to ingratiate him in the general population and rehabilitate him.

thats what civilised societies do with criminals

any other tactic is barbarous

You really believe this?

[scspkr99]

That's the thing it's the responsibility of the state to remove the emotional response to crome from the sentencing. A poster on another forum thinks Chapman should get more time because of who he killed ignoring that it does a disservice to the families of other murder victims.

The Brevik case has done more than anything else to impress me by how a country seems to have responded to such an outrage.

[Electric_Head]

For sure.
It's silly to think he should get more time because oh who it was.
I'd say that if it's a freak raping a baby.
But killing a person who we put on that pedestal in the first place and then expecting the govt. to respect that overinflated persona.

[wub]

You talking about Chapman E_H? You're right if so but he's getting a significantly longer sentence than most people get for a single killing. It's not like it's consistent within the same jurisdiction.

I agree.
They should at the very least be consistent.
Seems weird that just because he killed someone famous he should get more time.

It's not just that though, it's where he was tried.

If someone had killed 77 children in the US, I'd imagine they'd receive a slightly harsher punishment than Chapman.

[Electric_Head]

What do you mean? Where was Chapman tried?

[wub]

What do you mean? Where was Chapman tried?

New York.

[Electric_Head]

Yeh, sorry.
I was just reading the full story.
Anders would be skrewed in the US.

You get 31 years for attempted murder in the US.

[wub]

attempted murder

Attempted murder just means you're shit at it. They don't give a Nobel Prize for attempted chemistry.

[Electric_Head]

The point I'm making is that even for attempted murder you get nailed in the US.
Anders got 21 years for 77 murders.

[Forum]

Why even bother with the 21 years? Lets just integrate him straight back into the general public right now and save money

Anything else would be barbaric

[Electric_Head]

Why even bother with the 21 years? Lets just integrate him straight back into the general public right now and save money

Anything else would be barbaric

Might as well give him a govt house and a grant.

[Forum]

I'll never be in favour of the death penalty but the idea that someone like this can be rehabilitated is ridiculous.

[noam]

Why even bother with the 21 years? Lets just integrate him straight back into the general public right now and save money

Anything else would be barbaric

wow you so satirical n shit

[capo ultra]

edit: I don't even care about what point I was making really

[Forum]

Why even bother with the 21 years? Lets just integrate him straight back into the general public right now and save money

Anything else would be barbaric

wow you so satirical n shit

Am i your new jboy?

[hugh]

If a man is not insane and in fact capable of rational thought, is there even any point in his existence if he sees no wrong in killing others?
Is trying to seperate yourself from these people by saying "We are better than him because we don't need to kill, we can uphold the law" not in fact more about our own egos than actually getting rid of, and deterring these sorts of people? I mean I don't see how the perpetrator relates to that train of thought in the first place. He doesn't. He doesn't give a fuck.

I don't know what I am saying but these kind of things definitely get me thinking.

[Today]

i wouldn't disapprove of the death penalty for criminals like this guy and James Holmes
why should we waste our public funds trying to rehabilitate people who've gone on murdering sprees
they fucked up, not just a little bit but a lot
they chose to ruin all those lives
If they have any conscience, which imo is a prerequisite to rehabilitation in society, then they'd have a hard time living with the guilt anyway

so a simple penalty of death would be favorable for all
remove the person permanently, don't waste any more money or time on them

[noam]

you dont see the hypocrisy in rationalising murdering rational people for rationally believing its okay to kill...?? like thats the dumbest argument ever

secondly, i meant gen pop in prison, not public... yet

but yes, i believe everyone should be given the chance to rehabilitate, its the very definition of civilised, progressive, enlightened society

you do your best otherwise they dont stop winning

if you kill him, he becomes a martyr for those who share any sort of the same belief system as him

if you rehabilitate him you kill everything he once stood for, you kill the idea behind the action as opposed to the man who has already done it...

if you fail at least you tried...

[AxeD]

giving him special treatment, like a stupidly long or indefinite sentence, wouldn't seem to me to be upholding the rule of law. that's the law they have so that's what he's got. their crime and recidivism rates are not really such that there is real reason to criticise the functioning of that law.

That just sounds like judge dredd. Laws are not set up with men who kill 77 kids in mind

They should have sent him straight to The Hague, process would have taken a good 5 years
but at least the sentence would have been a bit longer than 4 times that

But seriously, there's been quite a few mass murderers in the past. I say stop whining about how
they have rights and that we should treat them with dignity.. put em away for life with treatment.
If people want to protect human rights, they should visit some women in Iran or kids in Thailand.

[noam]

If people want to protect human rights, they should visit some women in Iran or kids in Thailand.

wot.

whoever brought up satisfying ones ego for the sake of rehabilitation... what in the fuck does ego have to do with bettering the planet??

killing a guy wont bring his victims back to life, rehabilitating him saves a life.

think about that