Where to learn basics about effects, etc?

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frenchboy
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Re: Where to learn basics about effects, etc?

Post by frenchboy » Tue May 07, 2013 4:59 am

charles1 wrote:
frenchboy wrote:Lol they're "audio effects" because in ableton everything is either an instrument, audio effect or midi effect. EQing and compression isn't technically an effect but there's nothing wrong in calling it an effect. I guess it's called processing when you remove or modify the audio signal, and a effect when you add to the signal something that wasn't already there(delay, distortion, reverb). LFOs and envelopes would probably be part of synthesis.
Do you have a source for any of that? Reverb, delay, and distortion are not "adding something that wasn't already there". They are not generating any new sound.

Wikipedia's page on "Audio Signal Processing" talks about reverb, delay, EQ, and compression, so....

And at the top of the page, it says:
"Audio effect" redirects here. For special sounds used in media, see Sound effect. For a device that processes sound, see Effects unit.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audio_signal_processing
True I guess processing by definition means any type of change to the signal.

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Re: Where to learn basics about effects, etc?

Post by VirtualMark » Tue May 07, 2013 7:31 am

frenchboy wrote:
charles1 wrote:
frenchboy wrote:Lol they're "audio effects" because in ableton everything is either an instrument, audio effect or midi effect. EQing and compression isn't technically an effect but there's nothing wrong in calling it an effect. I guess it's called processing when you remove or modify the audio signal, and a effect when you add to the signal something that wasn't already there(delay, distortion, reverb). LFOs and envelopes would probably be part of synthesis.
Do you have a source for any of that? Reverb, delay, and distortion are not "adding something that wasn't already there". They are not generating any new sound.

Wikipedia's page on "Audio Signal Processing" talks about reverb, delay, EQ, and compression, so....

And at the top of the page, it says:
"Audio effect" redirects here. For special sounds used in media, see Sound effect. For a device that processes sound, see Effects unit.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audio_signal_processing
True I guess processing by definition means any type of change to the signal.
I'd call them effects, I think he was just being needlessly fussy. I have my folders in Ableton organised as instruments and effects, compressors would go in the dynamics folder inside effects.

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Re: Where to learn basics about effects, etc?

Post by rusto » Tue May 07, 2013 10:36 am

It was a few years ago now, but i'm pretty sure thats what I was taught when studying Sound Production. An effect, or should i say 'effects', is something that is added, giving you two signals, dry and wet. Where as processing just changes the signal. Like as mentioned above, maybe the emphasis is more important when using outboard gear and mixing consoles, I dunno.

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Re: Where to learn basics about effects, etc?

Post by VirtualMark » Tue May 07, 2013 10:50 am

rusto wrote:It was a few years ago now, but i'm pretty sure thats what I was taught when studying Sound Production. An effect, or should i say 'effects', is something that is added, giving you two signals, dry and wet. Where as processing just changes the signal. Like as mentioned above, maybe the emphasis is more important when using outboard gear and mixing consoles, I dunno.
I think with modern VSTs the lines become very blurred. For example, the Glue compressor has a wet and dry control for parallel compression. And what would you call a transient shaper? A dynamics processor or an effect? What about a limiter that adds harmonics, like the Melda Productions one? Or CamelPhat which has a built in compressor but is primarily a distortion plugin.

I've organised my plugins as well as I can, and put some in the "multi FX" category which works for me. As long as I can find them when I need them and know what they do, I'm happy.

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Re: Where to learn basics about effects, etc?

Post by Genevieve » Tue May 07, 2013 10:56 am

Blablabla, they're things that do stuff when you put them on a sound. Call them whatever you want.
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Re: Where to learn basics about effects, etc?

Post by drake89 » Tue May 07, 2013 4:20 pm

who gives a shit
rusto wrote:It was a few years ago now, but i'm pretty sure thats what I was taught when studying Sound Production. An effect, or should i say 'effects', is something that is added, giving you two signals, dry and wet. Where as processing just changes the signal. Like as mentioned above, maybe the emphasis is more important when using outboard gear and mixing consoles, I dunno.

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