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Re: What Is [Live]? – The New Generation Of Live Techno

Post by wub » Tue Oct 22, 2013 6:51 pm

nowaysj wrote:I'm shocked aghast that there was no link included in that post.
Oh, just for you;

KiNK interview - http://www.dubstepforum.com/viewtopic.p ... k#p3468953

KiNK puts everyone else to shame - http://www.dubstepforum.com/viewtopic.p ... hilit=kink

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Re: What Is [Live]? – The New Generation Of Live Techno

Post by Jizz » Wed Oct 23, 2013 3:21 am

I wanna see it go beyond 4/4, actually just decided with a mate yesterday to try a live hardware collab thing once i get some hardware myself, see where that goes

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Re: What Is [Live]? – The New Generation Of Live Techno

Post by fragments » Wed Oct 23, 2013 4:29 am

JizzMan wrote:I wanna see it go beyond 4/4, actually just decided with a mate yesterday to try a live hardware collab thing once i get some hardware myself, see where that goes
Maschine + 8 out audio interface + mixer with FX = basis for the perfect not 4/4 live hardware setup. OK...it's kinda still computerish, but almost not.
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Re: What Is [Live]? – The New Generation Of Live Techno

Post by nowaysj » Wed Oct 23, 2013 6:04 am

wub wrote:
nowaysj wrote:I'm shocked aghast that there was no link included in that post.
Oh, just for you;

KiNK interview - http://www.dubstepforum.com/viewtopic.p ... k#p3468953

KiNK puts everyone else to shame - http://www.dubstepforum.com/viewtopic.p ... hilit=kink

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haha, I remember that race against the clock. Haven't really liked any of the actual tracks made during those things, but that one was actually pretty good!

Dude, I don't remember seeing a mackie like that... must dig, I like the functionality I see on that board.
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Re: What Is [Live]? – The New Generation Of Live Techno

Post by nowaysj » Wed Oct 23, 2013 7:40 am

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JizzMan wrote:I wanna see it go beyond 4/4, actually just decided with a mate yesterday to try a live hardware collab thing once i get some hardware myself, see where that goes
Maschine + 8 out audio interface + mixer with FX = basis for the perfect not 4/4 live hardware setup. OK...it's kinda still computerish, but almost not.

I'm just kind of discovering this fact myself. In this respect, Ableton is very similar, but I find myself grooving in maschine like so easily (even more so than flstudio which is itself built around a step sequencer). I haven't made any 4x4 in... a decade, but jumped into maschine's step sequencer today and it was all




I'm very into making beats right now, but was having a lot of fun jamming it out in 4x4 land today. I got maschine for you know, the west coast beats thing, and have been making beats entirely off the grid by hand, but I'd jumped into the step sequencer a few times, and really really liked what I was getting, but I don't know, I didn't pursue it. But today, I was like, I've gotta use this shit. Something about it gets the groove going man! Mapping within maschine is pretty easy, it is limited, but actually is not far from the sweet spot, so you can be doing a lot of your fx live tweaking in maschine itself. I just started thinking about how I'd do it with maschine, and it was making sense. It would be a pretty tight, simple setup...
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Re: What Is [Live]? – The New Generation Of Live Techno

Post by alphacat » Wed Oct 23, 2013 5:08 pm

:corntard:

Give the video a little while, and bear in mind that even if you're not a fan of the stylistic trappings of the music, the potential for something really new and exciting is definitely here.

Cyborg Beatboxer AV: Gloves, Heartbeat, Gesture Merge in Wild Performance



Humanelectro + “∑(SIGMA)” from Ryo Fujimoto on Vimeo.

Once, you might see strange sensors or generated graphics as a kind of novelty, used for their foreign, futuristic quality. Now, a generation immersed in such tech exploits these tools because it’s second nature.

That’s the message of the creators behind a fantastic trans-media beatbox performance starring Japan’s Ryo Fujimoto. And while you’ve seen each clever gimmick on its own, here they try ticking all the boxes at once. Musical gloves dripping in wires with flex sensors – check. Muscle sensors – check. Glowing-blue heart-rate sensor behind the ear – check. LEAP motion sensor detecting gestures of the gloves on top of what the gloves are doing – check.

Keep watching the video, because after the usual behind-the-scenes business, the performance starts – and it’s stunning.

“We’re a generation raised on video games … immersed in technology,” confides Eddie Lee, the wizard at game studio Funktronic Labs who provided the visuals and their interactions. “It’s only natural that we express ourselves with technology.” And so Lee’s visuals are flattened and retro with reason: they’re cultural touchstones, a visual language that feels native.

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Ryo Fujimoto is Humanelectro, the beatboxer/musician.
http://humanelectro.net/

Takuma Nakata of TN2 provided concept and direction; Tusbasa Nakata of TB2 the hardware design.
http://takumatn.com/

More from the site (see link for Japanese text):
Electrical signals radiate from the body of Ryo Fujimoto via the various sensors that are connected to his face, arms, and hands. These sensors track heart rate, muscle movement, and finger positions in real-time. The data is then converted directly into audio and visuals, thereby allowing the expressive unification of man and machine, and the birth of “Σ (SIGMA)”.
In July 2013, Ryo Fujimoto published a live LeapMotion performance onto Youtube, which caught the attention of Eddie Lee. Eddie contacted Ryo, discovered that they shared an interest in audiovisual technology, and decided to collaborate. Takuma Nakata joined the project to direct the performance and to build custom hardware that Ryo Fujimoto would use during the live event.

This video above is a recording of the live event that took place in Tokyo, Japan. And it is the first leap of project “Σ”.

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The group next dreams of adding robotics and still more tech. We’ll be watching.

More:
http://sigmaproject.net/

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Re: What Is [Live]? – The New Generation Of Live Techno

Post by fragments » Wed Oct 23, 2013 5:44 pm

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fragments wrote:
JizzMan wrote:I wanna see it go beyond 4/4, actually just decided with a mate yesterday to try a live hardware collab thing once i get some hardware myself, see where that goes
Maschine + 8 out audio interface + mixer with FX = basis for the perfect not 4/4 live hardware setup. OK...it's kinda still computerish, but almost not.

I'm just kind of discovering this fact myself. In this respect, Ableton is very similar, but I find myself grooving in maschine like so easily (even more so than flstudio which is itself built around a step sequencer). I haven't made any 4x4 in... a decade, but jumped into maschine's step sequencer today and it was all




I'm very into making beats right now, but was having a lot of fun jamming it out in 4x4 land today. I got maschine for you know, the west coast beats thing, and have been making beats entirely off the grid by hand, but I'd jumped into the step sequencer a few times, and really really liked what I was getting, but I don't know, I didn't pursue it. But today, I was like, I've gotta use this shit. Something about it gets the groove going man! Mapping within maschine is pretty easy, it is limited, but actually is not far from the sweet spot, so you can be doing a lot of your fx live tweaking in maschine itself. I just started thinking about how I'd do it with maschine, and it was making sense. It would be a pretty tight, simple setup...
That's funny. I bought Maschine with broadly the same intentions as you and am just now discovering the live possibilities of the step sequencer--that's what has me wanting an ESX again. There is...like...absolutely no practical reason in the world for me to buy one and I know you can't really do off the grid stuff. But I wanna cause fun :(

When Maschine 2.0 is released I suspect I will dive into a project that is Maschine stand alone + hardware. I will probably record mixes to DAT because I'm some kind of weird degenerate audio hipster.

I've also been obsessing over dub reggae production techniques for years and have been a complete pansy about actually getting down to any serious business in regard to recording my own dubs.

I fully recognize that I don't have the money to build a hardware setup that will give me a studio product like a modern DAW with native tools can do. I also fully don't give a shit anymore. I think that's part of why I abandoned hardware half way through my journey. I've always espoused that the limitations of hardware are part of what I love and that is true as a philosophy, but in practice I'm been pretty timid in trying to release any serious that most mostly composed with hardware tools.

Using Maschine, even in standalone mode as it is now, is a huge cheat in this regard, in my opinion. But at the same time I think its a great compromise. As it stands the MIDI and Audio options make Maschine stand alone practically a piece of hardware.
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Re: What Is [Live]? – The New Generation Of Live Techno

Post by nowaysj » Wed Oct 23, 2013 6:50 pm

fragments wrote:I fully recognize that I don't have the money to build a hardware setup that will give me a studio product like a modern DAW with native tools can do. I also fully don't give a shit anymore.
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fragments wrote:Using Maschine, even in standalone mode as it is now, is a huge cheat in this regard, in my opinion. But at the same time I think its a great compromise. As it stands the MIDI and Audio options make Maschine stand alone practically a piece of hardware.
Fuck that cheating shit man. Ableton, flstudio, maschine, what is so great about them is they (endeavor) to make the computer just another piece of hardware. As far as techno goes, it is supposed to be a machine beat. It is the human interaction with the machine that is interesting. So if the performance is to have meaning, it is the human's interaction with the machine that is going to be meaningful, and we're back to human agency. The value of doing a live set all in ableton (or flstudio, or maschine) is what the performer brings to it. If the performer doesn't create a meaningful experience, it isn't the machines fault. They exist only to serve (right now at least!)

I'd say do whatever you can to make a dope thing. The dope thing is the heard part imo. I don't think the hard part should be what axis of technology am I going to use. That kind of thinking makes the dope thing secondary. With that said, I think analog gear with 1:1 control surfaces probably get you to dope thing in a hurry, I wouldn't set up arbitrary barriers.
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Re: What Is [Live]? – The New Generation Of Live Techno

Post by mks » Wed Oct 23, 2013 7:06 pm

For me, if I were to do a live pa these days, it would be a combination of Ableton and hardware. I would use performance controllers like an APC20, a Kaoss Pad, a mixing desk, an ER-1 and some other bits and pieces. Plus my bass.

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Re: What Is [Live]? – The New Generation Of Live Techno

Post by nowaysj » Wed Oct 23, 2013 7:46 pm

I think you should switch the apc20 for the push. :lol:
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Re: What Is [Live]? – The New Generation Of Live Techno

Post by mks » Wed Oct 23, 2013 7:54 pm

nowaysj wrote:I think you should switch the apc20 for the push. :lol:
I would like to try the Push, but that's an $800 investment. $600 for the Push and $200-300 for the upgrade from Live 8 to Live 9.

I have the APC20 and what I like about it is it has actual faders. That combined with a Korg NanoKontrol for the buttons and knobs would give me everything I need for performance controllers. Add in a hardware synth or two, drum machines and live dubwise mixing with effects and the mixing board and I would have everything I need for a very interactive live pa.

In the APC20, you can go into beats mode so instead of triggering clips with the pad, you could play the drums in real time on a drum rack.

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Re: What Is [Live]? – The New Generation Of Live Techno

Post by nowaysj » Wed Oct 23, 2013 8:09 pm

I feel you. I remain in a largely virtual space with much of this stuff, more like, wouldn't it be nice...

AND I'm just high on having a tactile steps sequencer right now, a la, maschine. :)
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Re: What Is [Live]? – The New Generation Of Live Techno

Post by AxeD » Wed Oct 23, 2013 10:06 pm

fragments wrote:
JizzMan wrote:I wanna see it go beyond 4/4, actually just decided with a mate yesterday to try a live hardware collab thing once i get some hardware myself, see where that goes
Maschine + 8 out audio interface + mixer with FX = basis for the perfect not 4/4 live hardware setup. OK...it's kinda still computerish, but almost not.
I will have this next month. Coincidentally though, cos I don't really want to use the Maschine too much and
I will drop the audio8 as the mixer will also be an audio interface :)
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Re: What Is [Live]? – The New Generation Of Live Techno

Post by nowaysj » Wed Oct 23, 2013 11:26 pm

I'm understanding less and less. Like this above post. Then again I was watching this video of these Japanese guys earlier and it took me about 5 minutes to realize they were speaking in Japanese.

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