Monitors for Neurofunk?

[topmo3]

neuro funk dmonitosrs you gan cet from the monitor shop they sell all monitors includign dubstep, neuro-trap, clomplekstro etc...

[Crimsonghost]

Don't listen to these fools about 8" cones. I can guarantee you're room is too small and too untreated to handle the low end. All you'll end up with us sonic mush.

^ have you SEEN the room that the OP lives/produces in? or are you talking about YOUR room..

research some studio tour/setup vids on youtube, most people start with rokits, and build from there

*only quoting to much to avoid massive wall of text*

Considering the op knows nothing about monitors (hence the thread), it's a safe assumption (which was confirmed by another poster) that he doesn't know shit about what he needs or proper room treatment. So, deal with it. Fool.

I also never said rokits are bad. It seems a bit to me like you're trying to hard to defend the fact that you own them. Nothing wrong with that. I have them as well. Personally, I think there shit for monitoring, but I do enjoy listening to music on them. As I stated, people buy them because they know exactly what there getting. They do have hyped frequencies. Everyone knows that. They also have consistent build quality and are very easy to figure out. Add the great price point and easy availability and it's a no brainier why there so popular (bright yellow cone is great marketing as well).

[Crimsonghost]

neuro funk dmonitosrs you gan cet from the monitor shop they sell all monitors includign dubstep, neuro-trap, clomplekstro etc...

Clomplekstro

[AxeD]

I do a degree in audio, so I like to think I know a bit about accurate monitoring.
It's not like I base my opinions on what people dish out on the web or because of the
fact that I've been producing for a while. There's people giving lectures on these kind
of things.
On another note, how can I provide any insight on this.. have you read the subject.

Anyway, I agree it's not necessary to be as negative as I was in my earlier comment.
That was my bad mood speaking I guess.

[Tom_Autobot]

this subpac thing
seems like it's the furthest from any decent monitoring equipment.

wrong but it's easy to make that assumption, it looks like something gimmicky better suited for a video game. but it slams, and it's so accurate..if you had one velcro'd to the back of your computer chair for a week sitting inbetween monitors i think you'd have a change of heart.

+1

Unless you've got an excellent commercial studio facility, Subpac will be more accurate than your sub monitoring, whatever it is.... seriously.

[AxeD]

Yeah, I think I'll wait for Resolution's review of it

[LUNCHPADDLE]

Don't listen to these fools about 8" cones. I can guarantee you're room is too small and too untreated to handle the low end. All you'll end up with us sonic mush.

^ have you SEEN the room that the OP lives/produces in? or are you talking about YOUR room..

research some studio tour/setup vids on youtube, most people start with rokits, and build from there

*only quoting to much to avoid massive wall of text*

Considering the op knows nothing about monitors (hence the thread), it's a safe assumption (which was confirmed by another poster) that he doesn't know shit about what he needs or proper room treatment. So, deal with it. Fool.

I also never said rokits are bad. It seems a bit to me like you're trying to hard to defend the fact that you own them. Nothing wrong with that. I have them as well. Personally, I think there shit for monitoring, but I do enjoy listening to music on them. As I stated, people buy them because they know exactly what there getting. They do have hyped frequencies. Everyone knows that. They also have consistent build quality and are very easy to figure out. Add the great price point and easy availability and it's a no brainier why there so popular (bright yellow cone is great marketing as well).

i dont feed trolls bro.


p.s. rokits DONT have hyped frequencies, id love to see some legitimate testing/documentation to back that up. as far as i know/based on the extensive research i did before buying my monitors i believe that statement to be rubbish.

see these links before bothering to argue:
http://www.krksys.com/manuals/rokit/rpg2_manual.pdf


"The RoKits are better engineered than many competing speakers in this price range, though obviously the drivers are less expensive than those used in KRK's more up-market models. Even so, the designers have still managed to retain the family sound. The detailed and revealing character of the RoKits makes them ideal for monitoring in smaller studios, where the room acoustic might produce misleading results from larger monitors. The lack of bass extension might be perceived as a problem by those mixing dance music, but realistically the accurate monitoring of deep bass requires a large, acoustically treated control room."
http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/mar98/a ... rokit.html


"My first tests were performed using the larger Rokit 8s, which in my garage-sized studio delivered a punchy, well-balanced sound with the kind of very slightly forward quality that most users find desirable in a studio monitor. In comparison with my own Mackie HR824s, which use similarly sized drivers, I didn't feel the Rokit 8s were quite as revealing or as extended in the deep bass, but they were still very comfortable to work with and seemed very capable of delivering properly balanced mixes with a perfectly adequate level of bass. They also have that useful characteristic that lets you hear into a mix so that you can focus on individual sounds."
http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/aug04/a ... krokit.htm


^ 2 minutes of googling right there, not to mention the freq response charts you can find in a google search, which invalidate your statement about eq boosting regarding KRK's.




im not defending the fact that i own a pair, im defending your biased/poor opinion from affecting other readers who might make the mistake of listening to your shaky word-of-mouth based opinion.

[SunkLo]

Dude Rokits are pretty shit. I dunno why you're trying to debate that. They're definitely not ruler flat, nor are any monitors near that price bracket. They're budget monitors riding on the reputation of their older brothers and the fact that people remember the speakers with the obnoxious yellow cones. Lot of producers buy em earlier on and don't want to upgrade down the line since they don't want to learn a new set of monitors. They're obviously better than pc speakers and you can surely get good results with them. But in the price range there are better choices.

In a small untreated room, I'd probably go with Equators as mentioned earlier. Coax means less phase issues which is good in a smaller setup where a bit of head movement can produce a noticeable sonic change. They're cheap and small and their LF rolloff is actually desirable in OP's scenario. It would be irresponsible to not also recommend DIY sound treatment and a pair or two of decent headphones. There's a billion threads just like this one so a search on here or gearslutz should produce all the necessary info.

That Subpac thing seems hella dodgy but there's a lot of big names endorsing them on their webpage. I guess it's similar to the old finger on the woofer trick but more refined.

[LUNCHPADDLE]

Dude Rokits are pretty shit. I dunno why you're trying to debate that. They're definitely not ruler flat, nor are any monitors near that price bracket.

^ that was all im getting at; everyones saying their own choice of budget range monitors are better, as far as budget speakers go, i just personally reckon the KRK's are the best within the price range, given their ACTUAL technical specifications; and this can be seen as per the links i posted before.

im not trying to promote KRK per se, i just want people to know theyre not BAD, they certainly arent 'shit' as you put it.. like i said, most producers (signed & unsigned) have a set because theyre reliable and have a good response range, theyre an industry standard now, and i think people find this hard to handle for whatever reason.. they actually go between 22hz and 25khz even though they say the bottom end starts 41hz or something. so their freq response range is actually BETTER than what they advertise.
but hey, its always fun to hate on the big guys.

as per the links i posted, if you can find a frequency reference chart comparing the rokits to other monitors and showing that theyre genuinely poorer in terms of performance, then ill shutup haha!

im just sick of these butthurt producers hanging themselves out to dry based on the purchases theyve made, and i know im doing the same thing, but in terms of people telling me my speakers are shit and theirs are better with absolutely ZERO knowledge/tech specs/references/response charts etc, it just really grinds my gears.

^ personally im pretty happy with my mixdowns and i owe it to the monitors i use.
pre-monitors, i was literally making the most shocking mixing decisions and all my stuff was so poorly balanced.. back when i was using razer electra headphones and logitec 2.1 pc speakers..

alas, i digress..

on the topic of monitors:
just fyi, im looking at some 5" presonus eris monitors atm for cross referencing, theyre at a super cheap price, they have a great freq response range, and the user tests/results are all coming back looking rather positive.. i think im gonna wait till some 2nd hand pairs start appearing on the market and see how the reviews go on those/see how they seem to last over time, and then hopefully by then ill have saved enough to get some.

^ has anyone had any experience with these?

[SunkLo]

Going by a manufacturer's graphs is a classic noob mistake. Going by any frequency response graph is a noob mistake, especially when it comes to monitors. Don't assume nobody else knows what they're talking about just because you drank KRK's kool aid.

They're ubiquitous because they're cheap and distinct looking and people keep them around as a reference after they move on to better monitors. Yeah they're a lot better than PC speakers. If that's what you wanted to hear, then yes I agree. Hardly the best speaker in this price bracket though.

[cent4ur]

i think sound on sound had a review about krk and some other manufacturers. krks had a large gap in the 700hz area. so not a flat response....
but as soon as you consider that most signed and unsigned producers compose music in untreated rooms and bedroom studios, then getting krks seems the most obvious choice... right?

[SunkLo]

Well no, getting the most accurate monitors you can afford along with some DIY treatment is the most obvious choice. You gotta look at your monitoring chain and environment as a whole. Blowing all your money on monitors without regard for your converters and room won't do much to improve your monitoring accuracy.

If I had to buy everything up front this is what I'd do: figure out my price bracket and pick a set of monitors and an interface that are gonna last me a long time. Expect to be patient and save up a bit. You're probably not gonna have exactly the right amount of money on hand and it's better to save another couple paycheques than go for gear in the bottom of your price bracket. Room treatment is easy to upgrade since you can keep adding traps so I'd probably actually skimp on that if I didn't have extra left from the monitors and interface. Add another trap every pay until you've got your room tamed and you're getting the most out of your gear. After that, save up to upgrade your weakest link. Assuming you made smart choices at the start, you should be saving for a long time. If you're buying monitors that are only $100 more expensive than your last pair, you're not doing it right. Upgrading should be a significant jump into the next tier of performance. That's why you need to be patient at the beginning and buy the best you can reasonably afford. Otherwise you'll be changing gear every few months and paying to hinder your own progress.

[fragments]

Also. I've never really read a bad gear review on SOS. They do their best to make everything see like its money wisesly spent. From the way they talk about budget monitors it seems pointless for anyone to spend 1k on monitors. All I know is "crossgrading" from Rokit 6 g2s to Equator D5s made a huge difference in my untreated room.

[LUNCHPADDLE]

Going by a manufacturer's graphs is a classic noob mistake. Going by any frequency response graph is a noob mistake, especially when it comes to monitors. Don't assume nobody else knows what they're talking about just because you drank KRK's kool aid.

They're ubiquitous because they're cheap and distinct looking and people keep them around as a reference after they move on to better monitors. Yeah they're a lot better than PC speakers. If that's what you wanted to hear, then yes I agree. Hardly the best speaker in this price bracket though.

ooft, im going by the user tested freq response graphs which show the frequency range to be better than what KRK themselves advertised via their own testing. not the response graph that comes in the box.

anyway, im kind of blessed to have been involved in this thread, as misguided as some of you are, this has been a good way to learn what everyones wanking about in terms of their own gear... since ive been looking for a good second set of smaller reference monitors, i now have some really good ammunition for research.

peace x

[LUNCHPADDLE]

Also. I've never really read a bad gear review on SOS. They do their best to make everything see like its money wisesly spent. From the way they talk about budget monitors it seems pointless for anyone to spend 1k on monitors. All I know is "crossgrading" from Rokit 6 g2s to Equator D5s made a huge difference in my untreated room.

TRUST ME, ive read plenty of bad reviews from SOS. plenty.

[SunkLo]

ooft, im going by the user tested freq response graphs which show the frequency range to be better than what KRK themselves advertised via their own testing. not the response graph that comes in the box.

Do you plan on somehow fitting that person's room in between you and your custard cones or..?

Also. I've never really read a bad gear review on SOS. They do their best to make everything see like its money wisesly spent. From the way they talk about budget monitors it seems pointless for anyone to spend 1k on monitors. All I know is "crossgrading" from Rokit 6 g2s to Equator D5s made a huge difference in my untreated room.

Yeah I've always just assumed it's something to do with advertising. If something's obviously shit they're not gonna put their rep on the line to big it up, but they are decidedly optimistic about most things.

[LUNCHPADDLE]

i think sound on sound had a review about krk and some other manufacturers. krks had a large gap in the 700hz area. so not a flat response....
but as soon as you consider that most signed and unsigned producers compose music in untreated rooms and bedroom studios, then getting krks seems the most obvious choice... right?

Hurr dat.

can you link me some info on this 700hz gap youre speaking of??
again, it just sounds like chinese whispers.
so many people trash these speakers but 100% of the time fail to show/prove what theyve heard, its all just heresay and word of mouth, thats why i semi-defend my choice/the brand. cos theres so many butthurt individuals out there that feel the need to spew rubbish, and the sad thing is that other people believe them and pass this sort 'disinformation' on to others... with ZERO solid proof or even some sort of loosely based information to anchor their statements to..

a link to this info would be great. as ive never had any issues.. and that seems like a pretty crucial part of the frequency range to be missing/lacking, especially in the lower-mid frequency department...
surely the manufacturer wouldnt allow such a sub par product to hit the market.. and as this is the first time ive heard this, without any documentation, id have to imagine its bs..

and in summary (haha) despite what everyones saying here and my requests for some sort of proof, im yet to see ANYTHING besides a poor attitude.

in regards to everyone whose arguing about the best quality gear/sound/frequency response, i strongly believe that no one (or VERY few people) posting here has a legitimate PROFESSIONALLY treated room, and therefore, why whip your dicks out and wank over such small and irrelevant details?

i just cant understand the hatred for the KRK brand haha!

buy the cheapest best sounding monitors you can, and worry about upgrading when you have a permanent studio location that you can afford to be professionally acoustically treated.


TROLOLOLOLOL. <3

[LUNCHPADDLE]

PS i love that fucking picture ahahahah!

[Tom_Autobot]

Through my own testing and comparison methods, in a moderately treated room, with each set calibrated within 0.5 db of each other using pink noise, the KRK Rockit g2 series as a whole have a characteristic slightly scooped mid sound, very similar to the mackie hr824 mk2, m-audio BX8 and Event 2020 BAS.
I love all of these speakers as dj monitors, they seem to be very easy to mix on through their prounounced treble and who doesnt love a bit more bass when playing tunes???

I like the equators d5's, especially as a second set, the mid range definition is excellent, though the sub extension could be better and a bit louder, they sounded best against a wall, or paired with a subwoofer crossed over at about 100 to 120 hz.
The d8's are better, but would definitely love a sub with them in a well treated room.

Adam AX and F ranges, 80x0 series Genelec, Focal CMS's, Neumann kh120's all had a more evenly balanced frequency response and would be the picks of the bunch for me.

[fragments]

I'm basing my distaste for the Rokit series based on having worked on a pair for years. I've worked on all the sizes and other budget monitors. All in rooms from untreated to well treated. Didn't like them. I'll take what my ears tell me any day over a bunch of charts. I just think there are better options in the price range. As someone mentioned in one of these threads...they aren't bad powered speakers and I liked them for listening and as Tom says for DJ monitors. Though personally the highs are a bit fatiguing for me.

How many of this mass of so called haters are people that have worked on rokits and moved on? We don't know but I'm sure some of them are.

You keep talking about people being butthurt but honestly there is only one person here that seems to have something wiggling in his ass. People gave their opinions. No one was really hating on rokits.

And let's be frank. Rokits were the cool monitors to have in your bedroom studio three years ago. They were easily recognizable in production videos. Whatever the truth is they got over hyped for a while.