'Deep' House is this generations Punk

[garethom]

Why deep house over any other electronic genre

External conditions in which deep house came to the fore are more aligned with Punk than other examples.

Why not dubstep or grime? Deep house's chart success came about by riding on the coat-tails of dubstep which got your average kid thinking about electronic music again, which, if anything, makes deep house this generation's post punk.

[wub]

techno is more punk imo

Techno has been around for much longer than 'Deep' House though. And as an American born genre, it's beginnings are from a different fractal path than anything in the UK.

[wub]

the current deep house scene has to be one of the most populist, radio humping and conformist ever yet seen, gigs in legally sanctioned warehouses with noise limits and a thousand bouncers and a strict 6am finish, 4x4 beats with a melody that you can play in the workplace, you could argue the drug taking is a key part of the scene and antiauthority but this occurrs in a strictly friday/saturday, weekend warriors fashion that still allows the headz to fulfill a full working week as a productive member of society

As was Punk, toward the tail end of it's cycle. Which raises another interesting point; the cycle of genres is much faster now than it was then. No longer the need for a physical meeting place where ideas gestate and evolve naturally. I've mentioned before early DMZ as an example for Dubstep, same as Sketchbook (precursor to Low End Theory) was for the LA Beat movement.

No need for that anymore. Upload to SC, post to FB, add to a YR channel...job done. The cycle is shorter, the money men arrived quicker, and the scene started to choke itself out earlier. Difference is the crowd itself moves in a different speed cycle to the scene, so whilst the scene itself is already bloated and overdone, to the crowd the idea and concept of being part of this particular 'scene' is still one of relative novelty.

[wub]

Punk did and still does even if it's become known enough to have developed a "Pop" side. Deep House is about as apolitical a genre as I can imagine... Punk may have strayed to various degrees from its worthy roots, but even in 2014 there are people making truly Punk music under the Punk umbrella. Pussy Riot are a punk band.

See previous point...the lack of political 'message' behind the scene is second fiddle to the fans of said scene wanting to go out and enjoy themselves. Shorter cycle, less gestation, therefore fewer core ideals other than wanting to dance, get fucked up and laid are really abounding for it's followers.

[wub]

Drum & Bass is more punk imo.

With it's DIY ethos to getting things done, I'd certainly agree with you. Especially considering the similarities between the early stages of Punk (before rampant commercialism swept in) and early DnB/Jungle.

But was Jungle ever political in the UK? Genuine question, I've never read All The Crews.

[RKM]

yeahhhh but it's emergence as a reaction to the bloated rock scene of the 70s, huge solos keyboards costumes smoke machines, does not have its parallel in deep house, so many of those bands said 'we went and saw ... and they were playing basic hard tunes that i could play' and this was their inspiration,

and after the 77 period died out it's influence carried on through hardcore in the US, uk/us postpunk bands and the later alt rock movements, a lofi diy aesthetic for disaffected youth to latch onto and get involved in

i could buy a guitar and teach myself to play punk or arty noise in weeks, i could not afford ableton/months of work to produce au seve/afford cdjs to play out

[wub]

yeahhhh but it's emergence as a reaction to the bloated rock scene of the 70s, huge solos keyboards costumes smoke machines, does not have its parallel in deep house, so many of those bands said 'we went and saw ... and they were playing basic hard tunes that i could play' and this was their inspiration,

and after the 77 period died out it's influence carried on through hardcore in the US, uk/us postpunk bands and the later alt rock movements, a lofi diy aesthetic for disaffected youth to latch onto and get involved in

i could buy a guitar and teach myself to play punk or arty noise in weeks, i could not afford ableton/months of work to produce au seve/afford cdjs to play out

Agreed, but you could pirate Ableton and knock out an Au Seve rip off in a week or so, if need be. Production values would be rough, probably, but there are tunes out there that sound like they've been smashed out in an hour of the torrent finishing.

The Internet has again made things more available...nobody could pirate a guitar, but they might not be able to have afforded a decent one?

[topmo3]

i had these exact same parallels with dubstep few years back, fits better still IMO

- dubstep = anti-authoritarian attitudes, pacifistic, "hippie", smoke a blunt etc, very tight-knit scene with certain "unity", warehouses / dimly lit raves with people minding their own business, heads-down type of "anti-social attitude". vinyl, collecting records and DIY is in high regard (cutting your own plates) i've seen DMZ patches etc.. overall the ethos has similarities to that of punk. i even have personal experience of knowing a lot of people involved almost strictly with hardcore punk and then upon hearing dubstep reaching into electronic dance music for the first time.

as opposed to deep house, which just reminds me of house. clubs, champaigne, the 80's, funk, ebonics, glamour... very non-punk

[lovelydivot]

I'd say disco and house were intensely drugged up versions of the American Dream…

and then techno was post dream fade…..punk rock in the sense
that it was disenfranchised youth trying to escape that depression…
remember - in america - early rave and techno was very industrial…

whereas I can't really speak of British stuff…
but the Acid House and then Happy Hardcore
- to me - was more - on the dream again…

and then ragga and dark side Drum and Bass
- wrote blackest africa and space simultaneously back into that.
I was all about that…shot down on safari…jazz styling…prototyping…frozen tundra
and so, so many other things…such a lush genre
Escapist I think - In a highly creative way…
I want to say D+B had a survival element to it…
how to navigate the treacherous future - what ever it my be
- and it's subsequent beauty.

All of them are highly sarcastic and critical I think - of culture in general…

but also driven by that - lack of interest in being - Jr. partner.

I have no Idea what happened with neu-rave and electrocash making it all fashionable.
- early 2000.

Yes I do. I know what happened.

OH - and the mysogynistic bootification from the rap game…
not hip-hop….commercial rap and r&believe my shit love.

...still a lot of clowning going on - I'm waiting for that to end...
..watching certain people make their way through that…

deep house - what is that…seriously…
How can you even define that these days?
Enough to call it this generations "punk rock" - makes zero sense.

I know when I saw certain people picking up on Deep Dish a bunch of years ago
- it was a joke.

What about….Tribal - Let's bring that back and make it a genre again
and it would be what - this generations flower power movement??!!

Everything is in dilluted free fall right now….we can call it
suspended in a solution of - colloidal something

[particle-jim]

To me punk is characterised by a sense of being disheartened/disenfranchised by what came before, a reaction against social factors and also a diy ethic, it's basically saying "I don't like where things have gone so I'll go against the grain and do my own thing", in that respect I feel that grime and dubstep have been the 2 most "punk" genres to be spawned by youth culture in recent years, both were a reaction to overly glitzy decadence of garage (much as punk was a reaction to the overblown self indulgent tendencies of progressive rock) both were spawned of harsher socio-economic situations and both had a fierce diy ethic

I don't find any of those characteristics within deep house

[lovelydivot]

here - have some new rave…

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and you know - I don't have a problem with the Chili Peppers or the lallapalooza crowd…

But god damn - when Daft Punk sold them that classy emo dog head - shit was just on.


Fucking - Kanye. Get out.

[Muncey]

I don't see how Deep House relates more to Punk than it does to any other watered down commercialised genre.

You mention Punk came through or gain popularity through social unrest, recession ect.. but wasn't that the point of Punk? A bit of a "fuck you" anti-establishment attitude? Sounds like the exact opposite attitude to Deep House.

[DiegoSapiens]

Punk was gestated in an environment of social unrest, young people with no job prospects, recession.

this is clearly not the case of deep house lol there isn't a more burgoise music in the game than deep house

[rickyarbino]

Punk was gestated in an environment of social unrest, young people with no job prospects, recession.

this is clearly not the case of deep house lol there isn't a more burgoise music in the game than deep house

Wub's out of touch with the plight of the legitimately urban youth.

[wub]

Some of my friends are unemployed.

[ezza]

yeh very few understand our struggle tbf

[DiegoSapiens]

they are unemployed because they listen deep house

[rickyarbino]

yeh very few understand our struggle tbf

No, you're from Kidderminster.

[ezza]

lol i was joking

kidderminster is the definition of struggle though seen worse types there than living in london and bristol

[rickyarbino]

Yeah but that's a different kind of fucked up altogether