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Re: Changes

Post by _ronzlo_ » Thu Jun 05, 2014 5:49 pm

dubway wrote:
_ronzlo_ wrote:^ As long as Facebook logins aren't required in the final implementation, otherwise... :confused:
of course not, it is just an easy shortcut (one-click login with yahoo, google or facebook account), but there will always be traditional login (same system which we have now)
OK, cool. 8)

The Discourse layout is interesting; the page feels a little sparse, but all that stuff can be fixed with a little CSS I'm sure.

Have to say though: IMHO a big part of the stuff making people bellyache has less to do with the systems used than the components of that system, i.e. the users. There's no doubt the demographic has skewed younger and younger over the last 8 years and the rise in pedantic bad apples is a corollary.
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Re: Changes

Post by ehbes » Thu Jun 05, 2014 6:15 pm

so im assuming the Discourse layout isn't going to work with prosilver?
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Re: Changes

Post by SignalRecon » Thu Jun 05, 2014 6:20 pm

rockonin wrote:
particle-jim wrote:I like they layout as is, lets not be reinventing the wheel eh?

I agree i like the layout the way it is. The only thing I can think of is that the 'Dubs & Tunes for Feedback' doesn't get enough footfall.
Bare tunes in there free DL not even 1% of the forum know about tbf.

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Post by wub » Thu Jun 05, 2014 6:23 pm

SignalRecon wrote:
rockonin wrote:
particle-jim wrote:I like they layout as is, lets not be reinventing the wheel eh?

I agree i like the layout the way it is. The only thing I can think of is that the 'Dubs & Tunes for Feedback' doesn't get enough footfall.
Bare tunes in there free DL not even 1% of the forum know about tbf.
I am the 1%.


Also, support the Dubs board! Some of it may not be to everyone's tastes, fair enough. But some of it is well worth a listen :Q:

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Re: Changes

Post by dubway » Thu Jun 05, 2014 6:26 pm

_ronzlo_ wrote: Have to say though: IMHO a big part of the stuff making people bellyache has less to do with the systems used than the components of that system, i.e. the users. There's no doubt the demographic has skewed younger and younger over the last 8 years and the rise in pedantic bad apples is a corollary.
thank you for putting us back on topic!
my question is not: Should we migrate to Discourse?
I am asking: What can we do to change things for the better?

(and I can contribute with suggestion: Migrate to Discourse.)

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Re: Changes

Post by rickyarbino » Thu Jun 05, 2014 6:27 pm

This is starting to grow on me.
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Re: Changes

Post by SignalRecon » Thu Jun 05, 2014 6:28 pm

wub wrote:
SignalRecon wrote:
rockonin wrote:
particle-jim wrote:I like they layout as is, lets not be reinventing the wheel eh?

I agree i like the layout the way it is. The only thing I can think of is that the 'Dubs & Tunes for Feedback' doesn't get enough footfall.
Bare tunes in there free DL not even 1% of the forum know about tbf.
I am the 1%.


Also, support the Dubs board! Some of it may not be to everyone's tastes, fair enough. But some of it is well worth a listen :Q:
Maybe have a feedback wip sub section in production and a finished work section in a more mainstream category for all to refer to, not opposed to moderation to prevent plebs/trolls. Gen has many "post your tunes" threads but I don't really know if that gets any more attention than Dubs threads/section.
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Re: Changes

Post by dubway » Thu Jun 05, 2014 6:33 pm

ehbrums1 wrote:so im assuming the Discourse layout isn't going to work with prosilver?
the layout will be exactly the same as on these forums: http://bbs.boingboing.net/ http://discourse.ubuntu.com/ http://discuss.howtogeek.com/

but why would you be attached to prosilver?

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Post by wub » Thu Jun 05, 2014 6:35 pm

SignalRecon wrote:Maybe have a feedback wip sub section in production and a finished work section in a more mainstream category for all to refer too, not opposed to moderation to prevent plebs/trolls. Gen has many "post your tunes" threads but I don't really know if that gets any more attention than Dubs threads/section.

There's a WIP thread already;

viewtopic.php?f=8&t=258815

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Re: Changes

Post by ehbes » Thu Jun 05, 2014 6:36 pm

dubway wrote:but why would you be attached to prosilver?
has more to do with me not like the colors on the new layout
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Re: Changes

Post by rickyarbino » Thu Jun 05, 2014 6:38 pm

I quite like the colours, but on the new layout, I can't see the names of posters, so I reverted.
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Re: Changes

Post by nowaysj » Thu Jun 05, 2014 6:41 pm

I do agree that OVER segmentation has been a big problem. I really encountered it in the production forum. It got so segmented that there was nothing left. There is one new thread a week over there in production, it is a joke.

But, I also don't think we need to go to a totally flat system either. That would be annoying. I've never really gone to general because there were too many random self motivated (spammy) people there. I've always really enjoyed production and the snh because there has been a steadier group of people, as well as just generally good people. I am concerned that diluting the forum regulars amongst the drive by spammers could be the final blow for dsf. If our interactions become too diluted, no regular, positive users will remain.

About harassing new people - I think dsf got that reputation during the brostep wave. I don't know if you ever read the forum, or just cash the checks, but this place was assaulted with the vilest, pimple flecked wastes of human beings. In all honesty, if good people didn't put those people in their place, this forum would have been destroyed. I know you want to see big numbers but those were the wrong numbers. And where we are now, as a kind of wasteland, I find that the forum regulars are slobbering on new people, just to get some new blood around here. Occasionally someone will turn up with some type of personality disorder and try and cause problems, and those people are harassed and ultimately sent packing. I think you should appreciate regulars who do fend off the trolls, as we're your immune system, keeping this place usable.

And let me take this opportunity to thank you, Dubway, for this forum (and to all the mods who make it possible, except you suckle). It has been absolutely central in my musical life, I've learned about so much new music, I basically learned how to produce from some of the now ascended production forum masters, I've gotten professional work out of the forum, and I've had just a great time over the past 7 years. And as sad as it may be, on some dark days, dsf is all I've had, or needed to bring me back up into the light. So thank you!

BUT

I think the underlying problem is not the forum layout, or forum segmentation, or the (nonexistent) harassment of new members, but simply the collapse of dubstep as a genre. Way fewer people are interested in dubstep, so way fewer people are coming here. IMO you should be actively marketing dsf as an electronic music forum. I'd look to form relationships with events, other forums, and musical publications. There is a lot that could be done to drive traffic here, good traffic, traffic that sticks. You have to remember that we, your users, are all that you really have to offer. We create almost all of the content for you, and therefore produce almost all of the value of dsf. I've seen dsf lose really good members, because there just isn't enough going on, and not a high enough level of discussion taking place.

I don't know Dubway, I think you and dsf are in a very difficult position. IMO, you're at a make it or break it position. You don't have superficial problems, forum layout problems. You've got deep fundamental problems. You need to drive new GOOD users here (pull them out of facebook) or dsf will collapse entirely. Yes flattening and centralizing will help concentrate and foster user interactions, but too much flattening, and it will dilute meaningful interactions and further alienate your remaining user base.

Just purely for my sake, I really hope you make the right choices now.

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Re: Changes

Post by dubway » Thu Jun 05, 2014 6:42 pm

SignalRecon wrote:
rockonin wrote:
particle-jim wrote:I like they layout as is, lets not be reinventing the wheel eh?

I agree i like the layout the way it is. The only thing I can think of is that the 'Dubs & Tunes for Feedback' doesn't get enough footfall.
Bare tunes in there free DL not even 1% of the forum know about tbf.
well, thats exactly the core problem of current forum system - is that many of the great content gets unnoticed on the forum because it is buried in a complicated forum structure, where even a 99% of regular posters can not find things which could be potentially interesting for them. I will not even talk about occasional guests who sometimes visits the forum to read a thread.

and this can be fixed by software changes. and we will fix this. we want to give more exposure to threads with interesting content (like Dubs)

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Re: Changes

Post by rickyarbino » Thu Jun 05, 2014 6:44 pm

No, I'm pretty sure people don't go in there because most of what's posted is predictably not good.
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Re: Changes

Post by SignalRecon » Thu Jun 05, 2014 6:45 pm

wub wrote:

There's a WIP thread already;

viewtopic.php?f=8&t=258815
Very true, and thats a great place for it, as far as getting feedback from other producers, but my argument is that the finished work thread should not aim to be looked at by producers but the entire fam. It would hugely help our producers works spread into social media and also give the entire forum a sense of participation and purpose in the music being created.
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Re: Changes

Post by dubway » Thu Jun 05, 2014 6:46 pm

ehbrums1 wrote:
dubway wrote:but why would you be attached to prosilver?
has more to do with me not like the colors on the new layout
why are you comparing Prosilver to "new layout"?
if we migrate to Discourse we will have to abandon the "new layout" and Prosilver and take the default Discourse layout instead.
so if you want to compare Prosilver, compare it with Discourse layout.

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Re: Changes

Post by dubway » Thu Jun 05, 2014 6:48 pm

jesslem wrote:I quite like the colours, but on the new layout, I can't see the names of posters, so I reverted.
suggested change (migration to Discourse) would look completely different from "new layout", as you can see here: http://bbs.boingboing.net/ http://bbs.boingboing.net/ http://discuss.howtogeek.com/

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Post by esfandyar » Thu Jun 05, 2014 6:53 pm

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Re: Changes

Post by SignalRecon » Thu Jun 05, 2014 6:59 pm

nowaysj wrote:
But, I also don't think we need to go to a totally flat system either. That would be annoying. I've never really gone to general because there were too many random self motivated (spammy) people there. I've always really enjoyed production and the snh because there has been a steadier group of people, as well as just generally good people. I am concerned that diluting the forum regulars amongst the drive by spammers could be the final blow for dsf. If our interactions become too diluted, no regular, positive users will remain.

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Re: Changes

Post by OGLemon » Thu Jun 05, 2014 7:09 pm

I've moved over to the new layout a couple of months ago and I really like it now. The only thing I don't like is the waste of space on the right side of the screen.
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I would like to have the right panel be on the board index screen, but once you get into a subfroum or thread the right panel moves down to the bottom. Also a colour customization option would be great.

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