Scratching over dubstep??

lone wolf · Post by **lone wolf** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 8:17 pm

70bpm/140bpm is perfect for some double timed shiz though

__________ · Post by **__________** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 8:21 pm

lone wolf, you sir, are sick at scratching.

respect where respect is overdue

holik · Post by **holik** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 8:30 pm

nozl and stretch wusup?

you know the deal. no clutter, me selectah.

and yeah

unless you wanna pay suckshit prices for roland.

le_hardcore_chiefus · Post by **le_hardcore_chiefus** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 8:33 pm

i find hip hop is the best to scratch over really, maybe as the bpm is right down,

not really done much over dub, but it can be done over hardcore techno
its all about right sample, right place, right time

so yeah it probably could be done

i`m all 4 it!

lkewis · Post by **lkewis** » Tue Jan 15, 2008 3:26 am

TIME wrote: Is there anyone doing live dubstep useing a turntable, effects and a loop pedal out there?

I recently bought a Kaoss Pad 3 because I wanted to get a mixer with effects and a sampling unit, and this killed birds both with one stone, definately well worth the purchase. I picked it up new off ebay for £200.

The unit is so powerfull, ive been using it with techno mainly but experimenting with dubstep, although im getting better with practice, it is well easy to over use. The sampling is well usefull for layering up sections of different tracks, and also repeating loops to enable some good mixing techniques. Also using the beat looper / reverse looper and various filters eg. Cutoff in the right places can build up to drops and create variance in the track. Ive also found the rewind spin looper can create some really good rewinds in a live set which digitise the sound similar to the granualizer.

For production it works really well as a synth with its own sounds aswell as its ability to manipulate sounds to create really good samples to use in music programs.

If anyone is interested in hearing these effects I will be posting a mix up on Barefiles soon.

laurent · Post by **laurent** » Tue Jan 15, 2008 5:57 am

TIME wrote: im ok at cutting

lol

sup holik!

as for the whole cutting over dubstep im in full agreement with kirky, it needs to be done hella well, subtly and preferably with some effects to soften it up. I've heard some people do it nice enough already. The cuts 2tall did over Mud for my mix worked well like that.
I was speaking to D-Styles the other month who was saying he's been finding dubstep perfect for cutting, now that would be something I'd pay good money to hear. And the Blood One remix of Vex'd's Fire still stands to me as a perfect example of how to do the whole cutting thing with dubstep tempos/sounds but on a different tip, rather than just cutting over a beat.
Kirky's cuts over some of his beats,and same wth stretch, work well for me. Less is definitely more. The Swedish guys are nice too.

time · Post by **time** » Tue Jan 15, 2008 7:41 am

ha Holik

you cool?

Laurent - yooooooooo!! man long time hope life is good with you, i got some mpfree i wanna send your way. This blood one vex's remix sounds interesting indeed im gunna have a listen.

ez nozl. makin me wish I didnt post up them weak old cuts over Jeet Kune Do now. word tho on the real nice flows. say that you were mine is v nice also.

laurent · Post by **laurent** » Tue Jan 15, 2008 7:57 am

TIME wrote:ha Holik you cool?

Laurent - yooooooooo!! man long time hope life is good with you, i got some mpfree i wanna send your way. This blood one vex's remix sounds interesting indeed im gunna have a listen.

ez nozl. makin me wish I didnt post up them weak old cuts over Jeet Kune Do now. word tho on the real nice flows. say that you were mine is v nice also.

yes bro. send me your email, i'll send you some bits i know you're gonna like

also would like to hear your new bits. im still on the same old addy, laurent at turntable radio dot come . holla!

holik · Post by **holik** » Tue Jan 15, 2008 2:07 pm

TIME wrote:ha Holik you cool?

Laurent - yooooooooo!! man long time hope life is good with you, i got some mpfree i wanna send your way. This blood one vex's remix sounds interesting indeed im gunna have a listen.

ez nozl. makin me wish I didnt post up them weak old cuts over Jeet Kune Do now. word tho on the real nice flows. say that you were mine is v nice also.

it´s all good.
been concentrating on the dub side, not much on the step productionwise ;D
well except the odd slow/fast ragga beat on the looper and basslines with tables/bass on that, some echoy cuts with percussions and accapellas. bpm is about the 70/140 mark, but don´t know if that´s dubstep. my bpm has pretty much always been around there.

working with the band mostly on more jazzy instrumental dub cuts. finalising the dubbing for a 10" then it´s of to mastering. hopefully mastered during february.

that+family+work

so it´s all coo.

corpsey · Post by **corpsey** » Tue Jan 15, 2008 2:12 pm

At a certain level scratching becomes something thats far more interesting for the person doing it than those listening to it (unless those listening to it are wearing Invisible Scratch Piklz pants)

holik · Post by **holik** » Tue Jan 15, 2008 2:22 pm

Corpsey wrote:At a certain level scratching becomes something thats far more interesting for the person doing it than those listening to it (unless those listening to it are wearing Invisible Scratch Piklz pants)

at certain level...

at certain level you know what fits the tune.

at certain level you don´t rip steve vai solos over a wes montgomery tune, you serve the tune.

at certain level you have a sense of style.

some people just never reach that certain level.

corpsey · Post by **corpsey** » Tue Jan 15, 2008 2:28 pm

I like Premier's scratches

spiro · Post by **spiro** » Tue Jan 15, 2008 2:49 pm

Corpsey wrote:I like Premier's scratches

but thats how they did in 1990! now its 2008 . . .
lets hope the styles have become a bit less premier!

but premier´s scratches is on its own level!

laurent · Post by **laurent** » Tue Jan 15, 2008 3:26 pm

holik wrote:
working with the band mostly on more jazzy instrumental dub cuts. finalising the dubbing for a 10" then it´s of to mastering. hopefully mastered during february.

jyeah! let us know when that happens mate

lone wolf · Post by **lone wolf** » Tue Jan 15, 2008 5:50 pm

Oh I forgot... Listen to the start of D man's Urban Graffiti Show, I did the intro for that, and apart from the layered samples at the start, the dubstep beat, kick, snare, synth, lfo, etc.. are all scratched

It's not a full tune but who gives a

misk · Post by **misk** » Tue Jan 15, 2008 5:59 pm

skratching over dubstep is NOT allowed.

whineo · Post by **whineo** » Tue Jan 15, 2008 6:09 pm

lkewis wrote: The way I personally view scratching is similar to MC'ing in that there is a fine line between what can aid the music and what can be too overpowering,

agreed, pauses in a djs scratching speak volumes

been scratching for years but am having to completely find a new style to move from my 95bpm/175bpm comfort zone to 140bpm

really think that abstract flaring has potential to be incorporated creatively into dubstep

dubstepper · Post by **dubstepper** » Tue Jan 15, 2008 6:31 pm

On the whole scratching thing, i have seen a certain dj scratching with them scratch vinyls, but the thing is at first i didnt know it was a scratch vinyl, i just thought fuck me he can scratch, but then after realising he was using a scratch vinyl i thought whats the point, i mean ye it does sound good, but its allmost like cheating, coz the scratch vinyl makes all the scratching noises all you gotta do is play about with it abit. Where as some1 who scratches on a normal vinyl is actully using more skills. Mabe im wrong and its harder to scratch with scratch vinyls then i think as i have never used them, but any1 with experience with them give any insight? I know i have allready said in earlier post but i think Dubstep and scratching can work just depends whos doibng the scratching. Allthough i have a few rnb/hip hop vinyls and i must say i find it a hell of a lot easier to scratch with them more so then my garage/grime/dubstep, i duno it just seems like the needles stay in the grooves a lot more on hip hop vinyls

holik · Post by **holik** » Tue Jan 15, 2008 7:16 pm

Dubstepper wrote:On the whole scratching thing, i have seen a certain dj scratching with them scratch vinyls, but the thing is at first i didnt know it was a scratch vinyl, i just thought fuck me he can scratch, but then after realising he was using a scratch vinyl i thought whats the point, i mean ye it does sound good, but its allmost like cheating, coz the scratch vinyl makes all the scratching noises all you gotta do is play about with it abit.

it´s pretty obvious people are quite clueless about scratching. fair enough, never been a major thing. but for someone who has been doing it for over 10 yearsä(and bought decks solely for the wikiwaki purpose) these comments just seem funny. damn funny. so no disrespect to ANYONE, but it just seems funny.

also people are almost solely talking about solo scratching.

drumming is totally neglected as is phrasing in this thread.

i mostly phrase, the group i play with doesn´t really benefit from solos at all.

the 10 years doesn´t mean i´m exellent in any area. in fact i´ve always sucked at solos, but can work well in a group.

but i´ll give this thread a rest.

NOZL: i hit you on your nozl contact.

when you got the time, let me know if you are interested at all.

cure · Post by **cure** » Tue Jan 15, 2008 7:33 pm

Tipper scratches over dubstep and hes the fucking man. Apparently hes started producing it, and Ill bet its gonna be off the hook.

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