What makes a dubstep tune BIG?

drifterman_ · Post by **drifterman_** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 6:36 pm

Phat beatz

planas · Post by **planas** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 6:39 pm

If Maryanne Hobbs is all over your knob, then your the next Burial, Hatcha, insert favorite Dustep Producer here. I have to get a date with that chickenhead.

that's fucking disrespectful, you can keep that sort of comment to yourself

drifterman_ · Post by **drifterman_** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 6:40 pm

Planas wrote:
If Maryanne Hobbs is all over your knob, then your the next Burial, Hatcha, insert favorite Dustep Producer here. I have to get a date with that chickenhead.
that's fucking disrespectful, you can keep that sort of comment to yourself

LOL

in the library 2

wallace · Post by **wallace** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 6:48 pm

Skeam, Benga and Rusko

Sure as hell questioned why.

I would go as far to say, that various peeps showed them production
secrets along the way.

Or they could have figured it out all on there own.

boyd · Post by **boyd** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 7:47 pm

Court wrote:If we knew the answers to such questions..
I don't believe MUSIC itself would be the powerful escape it can be.

Don't question why...
Skream, Benga & Rusko never questioned why.
They just bought what they had to the scene and made YOU ask why.

There was some documentary I saw about the Beatles, which went into loads of detail about the chord progressions and patters in their songs to explain their 'genius' or whatever, only to say 'of course John and Paul didn't realise that was what they were doing'. Where this is probably true, skream and benga aren't the beatles, and I think they've definately thought long and hard about production technique - the 'why' we're talking about - in order to make the next big tune. Plus it's a different deal with electronic music obviously. I'm not saying they don't stay true to whatever kind of music they want to create for themselves in a creative sense, but it's more than just that.

[btw, is anyone else getting directed to the forum front page when you try to post in a thread? fucking annoying as!]

wallace · Post by **wallace** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 7:56 pm

Saw an interview with Benga, QQing about how when he first started the Dubstep peeps wouldn't show him anything really.
Just finished tracks so all he got was eqing i guess.

He goes on to say, the house peeps were more than willing to show technics in sound. How to make this or that ect.
Can't source interview. Sorry.

Also heard the Dub peeps saying how there more than willing to show you exactly how to make a sound in a track also how to make the track.
Step by step. Considering the Dub sound changes every month,
they have no problem sharing everything about how to make the Big toon
sound of the month.

Dubstep peeps seem to be very secritive on production technics.
Unlike the rest of EDM genre's.

Just an observation.

cursedc · Post by **cursedc** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 8:10 pm

no one got the german porn film reference...

COURT · Post by **COURT** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 8:12 pm

What i'm trying to say is these guys bought original front to the scene.
Of course they thought about each sound, but in their own way.
There is no 'oneway' to get the BIG TUNE.

And above all, if you truely believe in your newest production.
Get it pressed to dubplate and start pushing it around clubs to various dj's.
If you're not already playing it out yourself.

Like Jehst said only replace rap with dubstep - and you'll get the idea.

"Treating rap like it's blackjack or backgammon, it's not a game and you lack talent"

wallace · Post by **wallace** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 8:14 pm

@ Boyd

Concerning Beattles,
If you listen to there Demo's there toons are very rough.
Sound nothing like the finished versions.

You can thank George Martin producer and Jeoff Emerick Sound egineering. For making the Beattle the cutting edge sound they came out with then and the Legend they are today.

wagawaga · Post by **wagawaga** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 8:17 pm

just write music which you yourself would like to hear. im sure thats what most producers do.

boyd wrote:
forensix (mcr) wrote:u nned da wobble base 4 it 2 b big u no

nofin esle gos of in da dance. we dont need no deep tunes cuz mans cant danc 2 dem.

stupid thread - surely how big a tune is is up to personal preference
How big a tune is is up to personal preference? That doesn't make much sense.

Being interesting in production, it's just something I do when listening to dubstep songs that have become popular - try and pick apart the different elements and techniques of the tune and learn from it, in terms of the instruments involved and effects on them, etc. Maybe it's just me then, but thanks for the lovely reply anyway

__________ · Post by **__________** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 9:36 pm

Wallace wrote:Sorry bru, gonna have to disagree.

We need to question why.
Cause Skream, Benga and Rusko sure as hell ain't talkin.

Experiment

Toon run though hi end sound processing

VS

Toon run through Farts and OJ.

Can a Big Big Toon be produced in both??

Cause anyone can come up with decent hooks...

that's a load of bollocks.
not anyone can come up with a decent hook, and i'm sure if you met benga or rusko etc and asked them nicely and respectfully, they'd answer any of your questions about production.

at the end of the day, ask most musicians, dubstep to heavy metal, how they wrote a tune and they will be like ''ummmm i just sat down and started hitting some notes in order. eventually, after many hours, they turned into that tune you like''

there is no secret formula for making a good tune, if you think there is you're a prik and you need to stop making tunes altogether.
a good tune is a good tune, no matter who made it, what they made it with, what techniques they used, what colour their skin is, where they are from etc etc

contrary to what you think, writing a good, memorable, infectious hook is not an easy task. turning that hook into a great tune is even harder.
i'm not a ''proper'' producer but i use my head, i realise you have to work if you want to make good tunes. reading a book about production or a benga interview won't suddenly make it all fall into place - its a gradual process.

also running your 'toon' through 'hi end processing' won't make it good. SHIT IN, SHIT OUT. SISO. remember that. if you send a shit tune to transition, it'll come back sounding like a BEEFY, SHIT TUNE.

sorry i could rip into your post all day, im in a bad mood.

tempest · Post by **tempest** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 9:36 pm

doo + doo + doo + doooo doooo doooo dooo = Large

__________ · Post by **__________** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 9:46 pm

tempest wrote:doo + doo + doo + doooo doooo doooo dooo = Large

funny you should say that, i made a night pisstake, with my mates silly moooo noise as the do do do do doooo and it wasn't large, it was shit.

tempest · Post by **tempest** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 9:48 pm

hahaha

we still gotta get on the collab tip lad.. i'll have to send ya a little rar package this weekend

__________ · Post by **__________** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 10:08 pm

yes it shall be done! i have been slack the past month making tunes, but the past week i've been back on it in fine style.
been compiling some of my samples for ya, got some bass/drums/fx n shit to send over. got nuff weird, genuine ketamine-induced screams, silly noises and random sentences too if that floats your boat?

wallace · Post by **wallace** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 10:34 pm

NP E

Get what your sayin, you just missed my point.

A decent Hook on Rinsed sounds does not make a big toon.

Or worse a decent Hook, on poor sound processing is gonna sound like garbage.

Now a decent hook on new sounds, no one has ever heard. On a big system.

Like WTF, Face Melt!

Gone Mental
You heard dem new sounds! Shit is WKD

That makes a Big Big toon IMO

Hooks and riffs are not the hard part.

Its that cutting edge stylee no one has thought of and no one has ever heard. Now you have somethn.

Those types of sounds take production skill. Will admit, there are some peeps that stumble upon a good sound with minimal skillz. Not that common to come up with somethn Huge that way.
Most of the well knowns have been doin it for years and it's no accident that there Toons are hits.

Dubstep is not unlike other forms of music.
In that its the new sounds that dont exist is what make it Huge.

Rinsed sound is Rinsed.

With Decent sound processing and the Knowledge to back it up.
You will have alot better chance to make that next Huge toon that everyone is nut riding.

Yes im sure if i was tite with Benga he would show me a few things.

Need to move to the UK, big time.

My point i guess, is it would be nice to see Steppers share there production skill more often, like the Dub production peeps.
Considering sounds change all the time, and rinse is old busnizz.

I guess its true, you have twang a guitar for hours on end daily and come up with a decent riff. Consider alot of those peeps have been playing since there where young kids and only a very small few ever make it.
Gear makes a huge differnce in Metal/Rock bands. Go play a show on garbage gear and decent toons and then same show on decent gear and see the difference in response to what peeps are hearing.
Have had shit amps and played on decent to really nice amps.
Its a world apart.

safe

ozols man · Post by **ozols man** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 11:02 pm

to be honest i think the ability to make a big tune is a very mysterious thing. we all know wot a big tune is, but its harder to pin point exactly wot makes a tune big cos so many people look for and can identify with different elements. however, i do think cockney thug is overrated....

whenever i think of a big tune i think of LEAN FORWARD by mala. mainly cos of how the drums skip, the way that dude goes YEEEH at those certain points and the melody, bass... the tune is SICK

ozols man · Post by **ozols man** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 11:06 pm

CursedC wrote: If Maryanne Hobbs is all over your knob, then your the next Burial, Hatcha, insert favorite Dustep Producer here. I have to get a date with that chickenhead.

haha ur a don. yeh mary anne is a bit of a bozo. ive sent her ENUFF tunes and to be fair i dont think im that bad so i dont see why she cant even simply respond even if she wont play anything of mine.

tempest · Post by **tempest** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 11:10 pm

£10 Bag wrote:yes it shall be done! i have been slack the past month making tunes, but the past week i've been back on it in fine style.
been compiling some of my samples for ya, got some bass/drums/fx n shit to send over. got nuff weird, genuine ketamine-induced screams, silly noises and random sentences too if that floats your boat?

sick !!! sounds good

__________ · Post by **__________** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 11:15 pm

ozols man wrote:
CursedC wrote: If Maryanne Hobbs is all over your knob, then your the next Burial, Hatcha, insert favorite Dustep Producer here. I have to get a date with that chickenhead.
haha ur a don. yeh mary anne is a bit of a bozo. ive sent her ENUFF tunes and to be fair i dont think im that bad so i dont see why she cant even simply respond even if she wont play anything of mine.

maybe she gets lots of people sending her NUFF tunes that don't think they're that bad?
its her show, up to her at the end of the day. shame she won't respond, but maybe she didn't like the first tune you sent, so ignores the rest or something? her job can't be all fun and games...

its harsh to disrespect her on a public forum though

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