so here's a tune

ghettobot · Post by **ghettobot** » Sun Nov 20, 2005 8:26 am

ok. . . ok. intro... building.
more sparse pon de riddem... transform and roll out!
some sub bass. some wah!mwah!wah! bass if yu likes that... i do.
or dread bass...ok!
sprinkle some glitta on it and "presto", yr dubsteppin!

ghettobot · Post by **ghettobot** » Sun Nov 20, 2005 8:29 am

DUBMUGGA-
relax

dubmugga · Post by **dubmugga** » Mon Nov 21, 2005 5:41 am

RELAX ???RELAX ???...WHAT DO YOU MEAN RELAX ???

I AM FUCKING RELAXED, YOU SHOULD SEE ME WHEN I'M AMPED...

andythetwig · Post by **andythetwig** » Mon Nov 21, 2005 12:23 pm

this is what the weekend brought up:

- made it shorter
- made the bass more interesting
- added incidental pads
- added vocal sample

getting there? needs some sort of build up sound- like a backwards-reverb-snare or something? I dunno, going to work on something different and come back to it.

stone · Post by **stone** » Mon Nov 21, 2005 7:10 pm

dubmugga wrote:gee, I hope I didn't scare DigiDiDi away...oh well

you did not scare me away; i just forgot about this thread. i do realize that those rules were kind of bullshit, but i feel they were general enough to be ok. i really don't think that you should be discouraging people who are just trying to help twiggy make a better tune. no one was responding to his post so i figured i would try to help him out.

and about the whole 'find your own sound' thing. it seems like he is just starting to make tunes, and they are probably going to sound pretty generic at first. i am sure that the first time you ever tried to make a song it sounded pretty generic and lame. that is just how it usually goes.

stone · Post by **stone** » Mon Nov 21, 2005 7:21 pm

wow, nice improvement! you could still add more layers of sound and some abrupt changes. experiment with replacing the drum samples you have with differant ones; see what you can come up with. or use sound editing program to fuck up the samples you are already using. i am just not diggging that bass drum sample. i like the sequencing patterns tho.

keep workin on it.

andythetwig wrote:this is what the weekend brought up:

- made it shorter
- made the bass more interesting
- added incidental pads
- added vocal sample

getting there? needs some sort of build up sound- like a backwards-reverb-snare or something? I dunno, going to work on something different and come back to it.

j_j · Post by **j_j** » Mon Nov 21, 2005 7:32 pm

dubmugga is one heavy brehr.listen bro keep goin the tunes ok but obv u know it aint there yet as u buy tunes that are ,
jus keep plodding and itll come innit.
tho a healthy bit of compressionand bass wouldnt goa miss from start
safe!

j_j · Post by **j_j** » Mon Nov 21, 2005 7:34 pm

ill post up a heavy beat then u can slate me dubmugga and andy will feel much better

dubmugga · Post by **dubmugga** » Tue Nov 22, 2005 8:15 am

yeah go on then ju$tin...

...if i don't kill you, i'll make you stronger and when you make it big you can say "fuck you dumbugga you don't know shit"

or you could just save yourself the trouble and say it now...

...nice one DiDi and no my very first tune was a fuckin banger, at least i thought so

the general gist of not replying to feedback on peoples tunes is. If you haven't got anything nice to say then don't say anything, the bad thing about that, is people only tend to say nice things which gives the producer an inflated sense of their own talent and does nothing to improve their sound cos the criticism isn't there...

...I'd rather just spit it out and let em deal with it but if you're gonna criticize then you better make damn sure you know what you're talking about same as if you're offering advice

if someone gets discouraged by anything I say then they shouldn't be making beats to start with. You need a real tough skin to survive and i'm just trying to toughen twiggy up, get a bit more attitude and toughness and it will reflect in his beats...

...fuck the clinical beats by numbers and cliche ridden cloning of other peoples sound

andythetwig · Post by **andythetwig** » Tue Nov 22, 2005 10:38 am

dubmugga wrote:my very first tune was a fuckin banger, at least i thought so

dubmugga wrote: an inflated sense of their own talent

digi diana wrote: i really don't think that you should be discouraging people who are just trying to help twiggy make a better tune.

Hey, it's ok, any reaction is a good reaction! As I was saying to someone the other day, someone who knows what they are talking about won't criticize you on your style, which is subjective, only your technique, which is objective...

dubmugga wrote:You need a real tough skin to survive

I'm not trying to survive- this project is strictly for fun! If ever it stops being fun, you can stick dubstep up your jaded ass.

Thanks for the trolling dubmugga, great entertainment!

secretagentgel · Post by **secretagentgel** » Tue Nov 22, 2005 4:08 pm

i dig the tune, but it does seem a bit out of the can. use reverb to add space. try to place each sound in a place in a room. personally, i dig the dnb feel. breaks are always good, even if it makes it not "dubstep" by definition.

and rules are good, because then you know how to break them. i've found it's never a bad excercise to try to make the most typical track i could in any given genre. somewhere along the line the track fails as that genre, but becomes my own creation.

corey

andythetwig · Post by **andythetwig** » Tue Nov 22, 2005 4:44 pm

^^^ amen to that, nothing's harder than to start with a blank sheet of paper i find- to get started attempt to copy someone's style, then go off on your own tangent and take it as far as you can, I see no problems with that, it's not plagerism, it's "inspiration"

j_j · Post by **j_j** » Tue Nov 22, 2005 4:53 pm

http://s62.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=1PA2 ... 2DY2T3D5MJ
a beat i did.

pete_bubonic · Post by **pete_bubonic** » Tue Nov 22, 2005 5:11 pm

dubmugga wrote:yeah go on then ju$tin...

You need a real tough skin to survive and i'm just trying to toughen twiggy up

That's the most ridiculous statement I have ever heard in relation to music production.

andythetwig · Post by **andythetwig** » Tue Nov 22, 2005 5:18 pm

ju$tin wrote:http://s62.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=1PA2 ... 2DY2T3D5MJ
a beat i did.

top notch!

I like the psst!- can't hear any sub bass tho

j_j · Post by **j_j** » Tue Nov 22, 2005 5:25 pm

yeah tbh jus lil things i did this mornin hung over ,not put the subs in yet
they always go last
after the tracks arranged ,,kinda anyway.

dubmugga · Post by **dubmugga** » Wed Nov 23, 2005 7:43 pm

pete bubonic wrote:
dubmugga wrote:yeah go on then ju$tin...

You need a real tough skin to survive and i'm just trying to toughen twiggy up
That's the most ridiculous statement I have ever heard in relation to music production.

yeah why's that pete ???

...and twiggy no ones trolling, that's just my inimitable style of in your face entertainment

BTW if you keep tweaking a tune it will end up sounding totally different to what your first attempts were and maybe not even better which i think is what happened to yours. You eventually play all the feel out of it and overthink the whole thing which then loses its spontaneity...

...so instead of capturing an emotion or a snapshot of a time or feeling you had, it just ends up sounding, cold, clinical and cliched. The big thing with music production is knowing when to quit and composing for where you want your music to be heard

If it's only to be heard as feedback on a forum then don't bother...

gravious · Post by **gravious** » Wed Nov 23, 2005 8:46 pm

dubmugga wrote: shot gravy...

so your dog got a name ???

I'm afraid not. I'm sorry to tell you the dog was fictional - a creation of my own imagination simply for use in the making of an absurdist comedy point.

Were I to own a dog however, I would devote the utmost efforts to ensure it could produce tunes.

Hmmm. Wonder if the pet shop is still open...

Ona vaguely more topic related note:
-Mr TheTwig: Big improvement! Sounds more spcey and more melodic. The drums sound a little low in the mix or something (compared to the big wide synths), but still heavy.

-Justin: Listened to that too - ruff around the edges, but good raw energy. Some full on old school Goldie/'headz sounds going on too. we like

pete_bubonic · Post by **pete_bubonic** » Sun Nov 27, 2005 5:22 am

dubmugga wrote:
pete bubonic wrote:
dubmugga wrote:yeah go on then ju$tin...

You need a real tough skin to survive and i'm just trying to toughen twiggy up
That's the most ridiculous statement I have ever heard in relation to music production.
yeah why's that pete ???

I don't understand what we have to survive? Why does it have to be antagonistic? Without sounding like some tree hugging hippy, we are all on a learning curve and will all progress quicker working together. I mean our man may not be gunning for a release, just looking for advice on what to work on, not whether he should make a living off it?

dubmugga · Post by **dubmugga** » Mon Nov 28, 2005 5:49 am

we have to survive as musical entitites because we are in competition with every other artist and genre of music for the public dollar or eartime...

...if you're not fit enough or tough enough to handle the bullshit you won't last long enough to evolve

I've already given twiggy my advice on what to work on and whether to make a living of it...

...take it or leave it but at the very least people should finish a tune before putting it out there for "feedback"

so here's a tune

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