How to stop Djs from playing illegal Mp3s in the club ?

non_entity · Post by **non_entity** » Fri Jul 04, 2008 3:32 pm

Sio2 wrote: actually i overheard one of them talking about getting tunes from the Torrent and i saw another Dj actually downloading tunes from *edited by moderator* in the club...

Shameless.

Chances are there's not much you can do about d-bags like that.

sio2 · Post by **sio2** » Fri Jul 04, 2008 3:38 pm

non-entity wrote:
Sio2 wrote: actually i overheard one of them talking about getting tunes from the Torrent and i saw another Dj actually downloading tunes from *edited by moderator* in the club...
Shameless.

Chances are there's not much you can do about d-bags like that.

Its shameless damn right. About all I can do is continue to do the right thing myself and try to make it easy for them to get good vinyl. I also find that if i take an all vinyl stance it weeds out some peeps too. If they know I am trainspotting thier shit, maybe they'll think twice.. They have to understand how much it hurts all of us.

If word gets out to a world class artist that New Orleans has Djs playing illegal stuff @ the club all the time, these artists will be less likely to talk to me (from new orleans). These artists will be lesslikely to trust me.

non_entity · Post by **non_entity** » Fri Jul 04, 2008 3:42 pm

Also, is this dubstep DJ's we're talking about? I've noticed that dubstep has a semi-esoteric scene (at least here in America) that really frowns upon illegal downloads, but I don't know how that is in the techno or house circuits (just to use examples). Here's an example of a mix w/ illegal tracks that got posted in our mixes forum.

skrewface · Post by **skrewface** » Fri Jul 04, 2008 3:50 pm

Nazoreth wrote:or else

you are just wrong, they paid for their mp3s and you are just vexed that non-vinyl djs are taking your bookings?

/me giggles

sio2 · Post by **sio2** » Fri Jul 04, 2008 3:53 pm

non-entity wrote:Also, is this dubstep DJ's we're talking about? I've noticed that dubstep has a semi-esoteric scene (at least here in America) that really frowns upon illegal downloads, but I don't know how that is in the techno or house circuits (just to use examples). Here's an example of a mix w/ illegal tracks that got posted in our mixes forum.

I'm the only Dj that plays dubstep @ the club in the city of New Orleans. I am talking about drum n bass/ hip hop djs, but it doesnt matter what genre it is. These Djs actually get gigs and get paid for these gigs @ big parties and clubs around town. So they are making profits from this.. thats why I am so pissed.

Vinyl is the great equalizer. Vinyl brings everyone onto a level playing feild where we know the tunes are legit. The issue, when everyone plays vinyl, becomes talent and music. No worries about ifthe tunes are being stolen and used to make a profit. At our local club scene level, vinyl is much more entertaining to watch. Seeing a local guy mess w/ a laptop is fuggn ugly and boring.

sio2 · Post by **sio2** » Fri Jul 04, 2008 3:56 pm

And yeh I am vexed about them getting my gigs and making money from shit they stole. My tunes wrecked dancefloors worldwide for 6 months or a year before I got them on vinyl to play. I waited. I am vexed. Especially when I've been working hard for over a decade to bring the niose in a legit way.. to see them slither up on stage after sitting in the club downloading tunes from *edited by moderator* ?

hd4000 · Post by **hd4000** » Fri Jul 04, 2008 4:00 pm

ok i need to chime in here,few things:
1.i have dj'd for 19 years.
2.managed a record shop in l.a. for 5
3.own serato
4.DO NOT illegally download any of the tracks i play
5.play all wav files so they do sound "clean"
6.if i buy a record i rip it to wav.
7.id rather buy a song of the net than buy the record.
why?because the dubstep records i want are all sold in the uk.so i pay almost double the price(due to the conversion rate)and i have to wait two weeks for the song to get here.where as with a wav. file its 3 bucks,and i have it as soon as i buy it.

just something to think about.

bunzer0 · Post by **bunzer0** » Fri Jul 04, 2008 4:03 pm

i think this thread is mixing too many different points.

diablo · Post by **diablo** » Fri Jul 04, 2008 4:07 pm

Smith and Wesson can sort out the whole mess !!

mase · Post by **mase** » Fri Jul 04, 2008 4:15 pm

Sio2 wrote: i saw another Dj actually downloading tunes from Kazaa in the club

Thats just cold... but those things would seem easy to avoid... cut the internet...

numaestro · Post by **numaestro** » Fri Jul 04, 2008 4:16 pm

Sio2 wrote:Nothings wrong with Serato. I agree. the thing about Serato is that it makes it real easy to play those Illegal Mp3s in the club. I'm finding that the ones bringing the Serato into the club are the ones that are suspect.

The good thing about vinyl is that there is no doubt as to the legitimate nature of the release.

I dont know that tunes were paid for or not, but i do trust in my feelings. When i hear a DJ playing the best classic tunes from 10 years ago and they've only been in the game 3 years, whats that tell you ? they never have $$ for beer or to buy the vinyl I sell in the club, do you think they are really paying for these tunes ?

I guess thats part of Djing right. To make it in the industry you have to be open about what you play and how you play it.

I saw Eminem tear a new asshole in this Dj one time XM radio show, The dumbass Dj brings Eminem into his studio live on the air and starts the interview. Eminem looks at the guy and starts asking him about a couple big mixtapes he made a few years back that had a few unreleased tunes from M on there... This Dj got fried ! Eminem cursed him out on the air and left the studio.

guess i'll just going to continue to talk about it to my peers, the club owners and the promoters to not book these Djs . Then I'll post about it online and just make sure that they know thier good reputation is on thin ice ...

As these new kids come into the scene they have to know that if you bring it to the club, it had better be legit. If its not... I'm gonna start yelling...

If you run the club - and you feel this strongly DON'T BOOK THE OFFENDING DJ.

phobic · Post by **phobic** » Fri Jul 04, 2008 4:18 pm

if u feel so vexed and concerned then wouldnt it be a good idea to confront the DJ's in question and ask them directly why they do it/if they do it (know u said u saw 1 downloading in the club) and explain to them your concerns about the health of the music scene they are destroying?
In my experience, complaining gets u nowhere and acting does.
Sorry to pipe up about this issue.

"I dont know that tunes were paid for or not, but i do trust in my feelings. When i hear a DJ playing the best classic tunes from 10 years ago and they've only been in the game 3 years, whats that tell you ? they never have $$ for beer or to buy the vinyl I sell in the club, do you think they are really paying for these tunes ?"

^ maybe they dont have money for beer cos they spend a fortune on buying those classic vinyls and converting them to wav? Also, just because I wasn't into Jungle when it first came around didnt mean I didnt appreciate the old stuff when I discovered it and didnt pay a fortune myself for some of the original pressings and enjoy playing it?! I agree with many oppinions about this topic, but 100% dont understand ur view point/disagree with the length of time a DJ has been in the game affecting the age of the tunes he or she can/should play

ill bill bachelor · Post by **ill bill bachelor** » Fri Jul 04, 2008 4:20 pm

Sio2 wrote:Nothings wrong with Serato. I agree. the thing about Serato is that it makes it real easy to play those Illegal Mp3s in the club. I'm finding that the ones bringing the Serato into the club are the ones that are suspect.

then everybody who is using cdjs like bunzer0 or me must be suspects too!!! or?

anyway, illegal mp3s are fucking up the scene!!!

concept_ · Post by **concept_** » Fri Jul 04, 2008 4:24 pm

Different scenes have different ethics when it comes to music. Dubstep appeals to me a lot in part because of the vinyl ethic and the fact downloading music is frowned upon- but it is totally fresh and unique in that approach, and it won't last forever as it grows and expands. However, other genres are different- i'd like to see someone play a blog house set for eg without spinning a CD or MP3

It isn't something you should bother yourself over anyway- format; it is all a matter of preference at the end of the day, and if you are a more worthy DJ, with better skills, selection etc. then you will get a better response.

sio2 · Post by **sio2** » Fri Jul 04, 2008 4:26 pm

hd4000 wrote:ok i need to chime in here,few things:
1.i have dj'd for 19 years.
2.managed a record shop in l.a. for 5
3.own serato
4.DO NOT illegally download any of the tracks i play
5.play all wav files so they do sound "clean"
6.if i buy a record i rip it to wav.
7.id rather buy a song of the net than buy the record.
why?because the dubstep records i want are all sold in the uk.so i pay almost double the price(due to the conversion rate)and i have to wait two weeks for the song to get here.where as with a wav. file its 3 bucks,and i have it as soon as i buy it.

just something to think about.

There are many differences between you and the peeps I am talking about.

You just spelled it out for the whole world to see. If you are lieing your reputation will be ruined. You are standing up and telling it how it is. These guys hide everything and don't spell anything out. You are an experienced Dj, you work in the music industry plus you are conscious about playing wavefiles in a legit and transparent way. Nothing wrong with that. Keep up the good work. when new kids on the block meet you and see what you do, hopefully they'll try to do the same.

dj $hy · Post by **dj $hy** » Fri Jul 04, 2008 4:31 pm

LOL's dunno if I should laff or way on by!

Seriously tho, how many DJ's run around playing illegal mp3's? I mean most of the scene knows thats not how its done n I'd say apart from the big producers if a DJ asks a producer for some beats he would get them!

I'm confused on a few levels tho. Why does the fact they are using Serato mean anything, why even bring Serato into it lol! I use Serato, plastician does but forgetting this small Dubstep scene the massive house/DnB dj's use it too so linnking Serato to illegal mp3's is silly aint it!

My other confusiono is why are you so bothered lol! It looks like its really really pissing you off LOL. Are you a DJ who wants to be there cos getting artists kick outta somewhere for that reasons... well... Lame!

Thing is it will happen, people will send files that dont belong to em! Check this out. Last week I had some random hit me up, saying love the beats bla bla bla. I started to send him a few and then he turned round n said oh I have thuis track you might like, its by ****** do you want it. I was like, bruv thats not your track to give out, he was like yeah he's safe.

I stopped the file transfer, told his he was a c@#t n blocked him on my msn! (n if ya reading this, if ya come to this site YOU A LIL MUG!)

sio2 · Post by **sio2** » Fri Jul 04, 2008 4:42 pm

numaestro wrote:If you run the club - and you feel this strongly DON'T BOOK THE OFFENDING DJ.

When I do put club nights together the suspect djs aren't booked. trust. But thanks for the suggestion. Its a complicated issue and gets delt with from all ends of the spectrum. Its seems that it is up to all of us to do what we can to educate these wack Djs. The bad part is that they are locally popular Djs... so, talking to them and trying to set a good example seems to be about all that can be done from my end.

I've even tried giving these Djs promos & doubles from my collection as an attempt to encourage them to play vinyl. Now after a couple years of putting up with thier crap, its about to come to the surface as an open issue. I'm thinking about making a big sign and putting @ the entrance to the club that says " Illegal Mp3s Not allowed "

just trying to do everything poss. without making into somekind of confrontation..

sio2 · Post by **sio2** » Fri Jul 04, 2008 4:54 pm

DJ $hy wrote: Seriously tho, how many DJ's run around playing illegal mp3's?

I'm confused on a few levels tho. Why does the fact they are using Serato mean anything, why even bring Serato into it lol!

My other confusiono is why are you so bothered lol! It looks like its really really pissing you off LOL. Are you a DJ who wants to be there cos getting artists kick outta somewhere for that reasons... well... Lame!

Thing is it will happen, people will send files that dont belong to em! Check this out. Last week I had some random hit me up, saying love the beats bla bla bla. I started to send him a few and then he turned round n said oh I have thuis track you might like, its by ****** do you want it. I was like, bruv thats not your track to give out, he was like yeah he's safe.

I stopped the file transfer, told his he was a c@#t n blocked him on my msn! (n if ya reading this, if ya come to this site YOU A LIL MUG!)

Read my posts, I've already explained why it pisses me off. There are at least 5-6 Djs that regularly get gigs around here that play the wack MP3s.

As for the Serato thing... If you have nothing to worry about then it doesnt matter what i say about Serato. Its just that Serato makes it really easy for these Djs to come in do what they do. To put out a fire you have to goto the base of the fire, where the fire starts. Serato is like the air & fuel. the heat comes from the Dj. Put Air, fuel and heat together and you get fire.

It just seems like Serato is just enabling these Djs. You sometimes gotta deal with the enabler to deal with the problem right ?

sio2 · Post by **sio2** » Fri Jul 04, 2008 5:00 pm

+TORMENT+ wrote:CALL METALLICA!!!

Maybe I should look for them on Myspace and see if they can help me.

dj $hy · Post by **dj $hy** » Fri Jul 04, 2008 5:01 pm

So what about CD's then? lol! You cannot blame Serato 4 illegal p2p c@#ts! Just seems a funny thing to say to me!

I only get tunes from producers. I understand why your pissed (read your post fully, was at work) but it just seemed a lil bit of a weird post imo. We all know you shouldnt accept tunes which dont come from teh producers, there will always be people who have no respect for the producers, send shit to anyone who will accept but there is nothing you can do! I'd like to know how the fuck these 6 DJ's get them tracks in the first place cos somewhere along that file transfering someone is bad! THATS how you wanna get at in all fairness! The wankers who hand beats out left right n centre!

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