Does anyone NOT have turntables?

_boring · Post by **_boring** » Fri Oct 10, 2008 10:15 pm

i do not have tables right now. as soon as i can i am buyin em but,

if i see something i wanna buy on vinyl, I BUY IT!

Tangka · Post by **Tangka** » Fri Oct 10, 2008 11:24 pm

well i dont have time to read all these posts atm, but to comment on the 'mp3 with vinyl purchase' thing,

i dont think it's a good idea. Digitize them yourself or get someone you know to do it. The whole point to vinyl is that it's not digital. There's a reason some labels/artists only release their tracks on vinyl without the option of any sort of digital copy. I hope to do this in the future myself.

Alex, what I do to play vinyl with limited space and funds is I have 1 turntable and I mix between this and my laptop. I cant even afford a CDJ. I spent all my money on vinyl

. What I will do in the future when I can afford whatever I want, is still mix between 1 turntable and 1 CDJ, until I feel careless enough to get another turntable / cdj. If I play out at shows I will be mixing vinyl and digital as well.

I am a strong believer in balance, and this extends to taking advantage of both analog and digital for my djing / production purposes. But I still believe in the sovereignty of vinyl, for what it stands for and its value to us in the end.

rob_booth · Post by **rob_booth** » Sat Oct 11, 2008 12:03 am

pete bubonic wrote:All Soul Motive vinyl releases (as pointed out) have unique download codes to get the mastered MP3's with digital copies of the artwork for you desktop. In fact we deliberately stagger the MP3 releases on sites to encourage and reward people for buying the vinyl.

We will continue to do this and add and expand the service when we come up with new ideas and as long as the service isn't abused.

thats what I love about S.M. .... more labels need to take note.

frodo · Post by **frodo** » Sat Oct 11, 2008 12:37 am

Alex-C wrote:My turntables are in storage because I have no room in my flat for them

Surely you must have some room for a single turntable, it's not like it's gigantic.

the p man · Post by **the p man** » Sat Oct 11, 2008 5:33 am

Big up Soul Motive for providing the .mp3 download of the tunes. I purchased 001 and was very pleased to be able to download the .mp3s. I prefer to play off of vinyl, but sometimes I play off the laptop. Also nice to be able to chuck the tunes straight in to the I-Pod. I often rip vinyls in to the pc, but I don't always have time and it's easy to get behind. In many cases I've bought .wav or .mp3 of tunes that I have on vinyl just for the convienience factor of not having to rip the tune. Or bought the .mp3 or .wav first and then snapped the vinyl up later (in the case of a re-press or just finding the tune online randomly).I think it's ok for labels to put the vinyl out first, and wait a bit for the .mp3 as it encourages DJ's to buy the vinyl to get tunes a bit before the other DJ's who are waiting for the .mp3 release. I've bought doubles and in some cases triples of things I consider to be classics(on vinyl).I think people should make every effort to buy a new legal copy of tunes they want(for reasons which I hope are obvious).I often play my own tunes or tunes from producer friends, off the laptop, but I'd like to start cutting dubs at some point.I'm kind of meandering off the topic a little.Anyway, thanks Soul Motive! I think it's a great Idea.

DFRNT · Post by **DFRNT** » Sat Oct 11, 2008 9:03 am

Frodo wrote:
Alex-C wrote:My turntables are in storage because I have no room in my flat for them
Surely you must have some room for a single turntable, it's not like it's gigantic.

My room is jam packed, there's not a single free surface and it's another thing to plug in to the adapter, and hook up to speakers which I'd have to have too.

Trust me - It's far more hassle than it's worth until I can get a new flat.

ammo · Post by **ammo** » Sun Oct 12, 2008 1:45 am

i think this downloading with vinyl thing is a great idea, but just needs to be well controlled

ashley · Post by **ashley** » Sun Oct 12, 2008 2:12 am

Frodo wrote:
Alex-C wrote:My turntables are in storage because I have no room in my flat for them
Surely you must have some room for a single turntable, it's not like it's gigantic.

What a stupid idea. Turntables should come in pairs.

spencertron · Post by **spencertron** » Sun Oct 12, 2008 2:30 am

Earthling wrote: There's a reason some labels/artists only release their tracks on vinyl without the option of any sort of digital copy.

i still think there's a better case to argue for what labels like soul motive are doing for their vinyl customers. Besides, creating the boundaries, as you suggest, which labels go out of their way to do (which is, to only release on vinyl), can only serve to encourage unlawful copying of dubs (whether or not for personal use).

although it's nice to have tracks on vinyl unavailable on anyother format (some i have), it's a shame that others go without, their only option is to hope of somebody else providing it to them, which will definetly not be the label, Those consumers won't buy the vinyl just for the download code supplied with a vinyl purchase if they only play mp3's, but i think it comes down to labels providing more than one medium for their product and subsidizing those that fork out for the vinyl and listen to music in more than one place without having to do additional ripping/processing of something they have bought.

SHAFEY · Post by **SHAFEY** » Sun Oct 12, 2008 7:57 am

Earthling wrote:The whole point to vinyl is that it's not digital.

Quite.

Unless you have the cleanest/clearest vinyl ripping set-up, the rip is never gonna be as crisp as a high-quality MP3 or WAV, at least not in my experience anyway. Especially seeing as a lot of tunes go through a seperate mastering process to be made available in a digital format too.

It's all about having the best sound quality across all formats. I'd much rather pay a couple quid for WAV's of a release I have on vinyl so I can pump it proper in the whip than have to rip it and deal with the sound quality issssssssues.

Tangka · Post by **Tangka** » Sun Oct 12, 2008 8:31 am

double post

Tangka · Post by **Tangka** » Sun Oct 12, 2008 9:08 am

spencerTron wrote:
Earthling wrote: There's a reason some labels/artists only release their tracks on vinyl without the option of any sort of digital copy.
i still think there's a better case to argue for what labels like soul motive are doing for their vinyl customers. Besides, creating the boundaries, as you suggest, which labels go out of their way to do (which is, to only release on vinyl), can only serve to encourage unlawful copying of dubs (whether or not for personal use).

although it's nice to have tracks on vinyl unavailable on anyother format (some i have), it's a shame that others go without, their only option is to hope of somebody else providing it to them, which will definetly not be the label, Those consumers won't buy the vinyl just for the download code supplied with a vinyl purchase if they only play mp3's, but i think it comes down to labels providing more than one medium for their product and subsidizing those that fork out for the vinyl and listen to music in more than one place without having to do additional ripping/processing of something they have bought.

well Im not really into arguing, but being understood. I hope I understand you, that you want to be able to appreciate all of these tracks, and play them out, and turn people onto them, and all of this with a practical digital format available with the 12" you payed for.

But the point releasing vinyl ONLY is not simply making the songs 'cost more money' but to maintain a higher value of the actual song itself.

To me vinyl is a way for people who have made their way artistically and who want their music in a format that will be loved respected and well tended, rather than thrown in everybody's ipod and annoying within 1 year.

I dont exactly think that a WAV file somebody gets with their soul motive purchase will go circling out there and everybody will be listening to it and it wont really be special anymore, and it wont really go down in history, but the danger of this happening is what keeps some labels / producers from letting any digital copies slip through.

I say vinyl brings LIFE (a longer and fuller one) and dignity to our music.

This is what Mala talks about, I suppose...

well, I hope people can understand that this is just how some of us feel about our music and that we will be releasing some tracks exclusively on vinyl and that that's just the way it is.

I respect your way of doing things and any label that agrees with you

SHAFEY · Post by **SHAFEY** » Sun Oct 12, 2008 9:09 am

Earthling wrote:Well to me its also more the way i feel about it

Digital just doesn't quite feel right to me; It just doesnt LIVE, somehow soulless. The difference is large for me and I take this seriously.

i think a lot of us vinyl people go out of our way to preserve the vinyl sound by making our music on vinyl only, either because we fear it might get wiped out if every last track was available digitally, or because we see music as having much higher artistic value when on vinyl format.

To me it has nothing to do with money or piracy, but the artistic substance, the sound of dubstep and my desire for it to represent that vinyl sound. I know it might seem forceful or unfair, for individuals to release their substance on only the one format, but I feel that everyone benefits from this activity, and we all seem to be scraping by some pretty nice music here thanks to all of us and our diverse intentions

hmm hopefully this doesnt sound too scattered

I aint interested in opening the standard vinyl vs digital can of worms, but I will say that by only making music available on one format alienates those that don't have the equipment to play it. Clearly not everybody benefits from having tunes available through one medium.

I too also take this seriously and for me it's a no-brainer that in this day and age, all music for release should be made available across a range of formats. It does of course depend on what a label/producer's intentions are; whether they're looking to reach as many people as they can or whether they're looking to make music purely for themselves.

spencertron · Post by **spencertron** » Sun Oct 12, 2008 9:15 am

Earthling wrote: Digital just doesn't quite feel right to me; It just doesnt LIVE, somehow soulless. The difference is large for me and I take this seriously.

yes, the majority feel the same, and so do i, but that is far from the point.

i'm not gonna labour this point much more, but i think everylabel should take a leaf out of soulmotives book

Tangka · Post by **Tangka** » Sun Oct 12, 2008 9:18 am

Shafey wrote:
Earthling wrote:Well to me its also more the way i feel about it

Digital just doesn't quite feel right to me; It just doesnt LIVE, somehow soulless. The difference is large for me and I take this seriously.

i think a lot of us vinyl people go out of our way to preserve the vinyl sound by making our music on vinyl only, either because we fear it might get wiped out if every last track was available digitally, or because we see music as having much higher artistic value when on vinyl format.

To me it has nothing to do with money or piracy, but the artistic substance, the sound of dubstep and my desire for it to represent that vinyl sound. I know it might seem forceful or unfair, for individuals to release their substance on only the one format, but I feel that everyone benefits from this activity, and we all seem to be scraping by some pretty nice music here thanks to all of us and our diverse intentions

hmm hopefully this doesnt sound too scattered
I aint interested in opening the standard vinyl vs digital can of worms, but I will say that by only making music available on one format alienates those that don't have the equipment to play it. Clearly not everybody benefits from having tunes available through one medium.

I too also take this seriously and for me it's a no-brainer that in this day and age, all music for release should be made available across a range of formats. It does of course depend on what a label/producer's intentions are; whether they're looking to reach as many people as they can or whether they're looking to make music purely for themselves.

hmm yeah actually deleted that post as you were writing because it came out weird.

and i dont feel like opening that can of worms either

I know this vinyl nut jargon sounds nuts, but if you want to say that I am keeping music to myself, there's the infinitely looping chicken or the egg right there - the argument of "you owe it to the audience to make your music available" and "the audience owes it to me to respect my creation"

all arrogant IMO, but at least I'm aware of the arrogance, and proud of it!

Tangka · Post by **Tangka** » Sun Oct 12, 2008 9:23 am

oh and I would die if nothing was available digitally and it was just all vinyl

that would suck as much as vinyl being gone

we have a good balance I think

SHAFEY · Post by **SHAFEY** » Sun Oct 12, 2008 9:53 am

Earthling wrote:
Shafey wrote:
Earthling wrote:Well to me its also more the way i feel about it

Digital just doesn't quite feel right to me; It just doesnt LIVE, somehow soulless. The difference is large for me and I take this seriously.

i think a lot of us vinyl people go out of our way to preserve the vinyl sound by making our music on vinyl only, either because we fear it might get wiped out if every last track was available digitally, or because we see music as having much higher artistic value when on vinyl format.

To me it has nothing to do with money or piracy, but the artistic substance, the sound of dubstep and my desire for it to represent that vinyl sound. I know it might seem forceful or unfair, for individuals to release their substance on only the one format, but I feel that everyone benefits from this activity, and we all seem to be scraping by some pretty nice music here thanks to all of us and our diverse intentions

hmm hopefully this doesnt sound too scattered
I aint interested in opening the standard vinyl vs digital can of worms, but I will say that by only making music available on one format alienates those that don't have the equipment to play it. Clearly not everybody benefits from having tunes available through one medium.

I too also take this seriously and for me it's a no-brainer that in this day and age, all music for release should be made available across a range of formats. It does of course depend on what a label/producer's intentions are; whether they're looking to reach as many people as they can or whether they're looking to make music purely for themselves.
hmm yeah actually deleted that post as you were writing because it came out weird.

and i dont feel like opening that can of worms either

I know this vinyl nut jargon sounds nuts, but if you want to say that I am keeping music to myself, there's the infinitely looping chicken or the egg right there - the argument of "you owe it to the audience to make your music available" and "the audience owes it to me to respect my creation"

all arrogant IMO, but at least I'm aware of the arrogance, and proud of it!

I'm not suggesting anything is owed to anyone. Just pointing out that by keeping the music to one form, a producer/label is potentially missing out, which personally I don't feel is beneficial to anyone.

I don't understand how a tune can be anymore more well-loved/respected/annoying depending on how its played. I would find it more annoying and frustrating not being able to purchase and listen to a tune I've wanted for a long time in my car or on my i-pod. I would rather have the option to rinse a tune whenever/wherever I like and possibly not listen to it a year after buying it than having the option to only play it on my decks in the studio.

If people want a tune badly enough, they'll get hold of it somehow. Whether through downloading rips from eastern european torrent/download sites or by ripping the vinyl themselves, or even ripping from artists myspace players. Therefore you may as well provide people with a high-quality digital version, if for nothing else, so that you know what is in circulation is to a good quality!

Don't get me wrong, I like vinyl as much as the next DJ but thats the point - You can only offer it to DJ's of some kind. So to say it brings a longer and fuller life to 'our music' is in my opinion highly innacurate.

DFRNT · Post by **DFRNT** » Sun Oct 12, 2008 1:44 pm

I respect vinyl for it's apparently better sound quality - but I would like to see things that are currently exclusively vinyl, available on digital formats at some point.

How can a label justify alienating everyone who doesn't have a turntable? Surely that's a large proportion of the market.

Granted - if you're aiming at the dubstep DJing market, then it could be more turntable owners than other genres, or perhaps more than most might expect - but there are other DJs trying to push boundaries out there, who may have opted for a digital setup, or CDJs, who as a result can't buy the label's output. Then both parties are losing out. The customer/end user - and the label.

I like a balance, don't get me wrong - but I'd also like to buy a good number of tracks that I can only find on vinyl. As a result I won't be buying them because I'm not convinced i'll end up using the plastic, and I just plain don't have the room. It's a pretty shabby situation. The answer shouldn't be "get a turntable / room for turntables then" either - that doesn't really progress things.

I doubt there will really be a solution to this - but it's interesting to see people's thoughts & opinions.

Tangka · Post by **Tangka** » Mon Oct 13, 2008 2:19 am

its a shame that so much crap has to come along with simply wanting to listen to vinyl, and alex, sorry for you being subject to such crap.

i was just trying to explain why i think some labels / artists will never do what you guys have in mind and why

you can have all of my tracks in digital version

kindofblue272 · Post by **kindofblue272** » Mon Oct 13, 2008 4:03 am

pete bubonic wrote:All Soul Motive vinyl releases (as pointed out) have unique download codes to get the mastered MP3's with digital copies of the artwork for you desktop. In fact we deliberately stagger the MP3 releases on sites to encourage and reward people for buying the vinyl.

We will continue to do this and add and expand the service when we come up with new ideas and as long as the service isn't abused.

I thought you only did this for your second release? I bought both Soul Motive records and only got the download code for the second one. Although now that I think about it, I did buy the Soul Motive 001 in an actual physical store, so probably someone grabbed the slip with the code on it before i bought it.

And it would be even better if labels offered a lossless format like wav or FLAC... although the cost of that might be prohibitive. I try and buy lossless only now because I feel like it gives my digital collection actual lasting value.

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