I need help.

parson atx · Post by **parson atx** » Sun Aug 13, 2006 5:20 pm

so far nobody has provided reasons why logic is better for dubstep than ableton

parson atx · Post by **parson atx** » Sun Aug 13, 2006 5:22 pm

ableton live is an extremely powerful and versatile sequencer

its got full vst capablities

its good for live performances/live remixes

from what i can tell, as far as loop-based music goes, live can do everything logic can, and be more intuitive and graceful about it.

its been 4 years since i used logic with any regularlity and i'm sure its much different now but it can't be that different from nuendo which i know pretty well

kion · Post by **kion** » Sun Aug 13, 2006 5:31 pm

Parson ATX wrote:so far nobody has provided reasons why logic is better for dubstep than ableton

DJUnya wrote: However if your on a budget and literally just starting... I would pick up Fruity or Reason to get used to sequencing - midi etc.....Become familiar with the tools & then pick yourself up (Logic or Cubase)or if the $$ is there go straight for either, Also i would be glad to help you get started with whatever you Choose...

Logic Audio is only about $199 or thereabouts I think - cut down Logic Pro (but not that much cut down). Still got nearly all the features you'd actually use.

parson atx · Post by **parson atx** » Sun Aug 13, 2006 5:36 pm

look you condescending shit, provide some explanation or shut the fuck up

i've been here two days and i'm sick of you

forensix (mcr) · Post by **forensix (mcr)** » Sun Aug 13, 2006 5:44 pm

chill out man,

people use different software and have their own opinions let it go theres no need for this

kion · Post by **kion** » Sun Aug 13, 2006 5:47 pm

Parson ATX wrote:look you condescending shit, provide some explanation or shut the fuck up

i've been here two days and i'm sick of you

djunya · Post by **djunya** » Sun Aug 13, 2006 5:50 pm

Parson ATX wrote:so far nobody has provided reasons why logic is better for dubstep than ableton

Well i feel (LIVE) is just that Meant to be used LIVE!!!!! for on the fly Mash-up music abilties for Musicians & Dj's.
I 've seen it used many times by friends although never used it myself i understand it Qualities... Seems like a great think for that... but I was referring to (in studio) production- w/with Quality Editing tools & Overall Sound....+ Logic comes with all the basic tones you need to make any style of music.. They have also been doing Midi sequecing since the beggining of (midi) over 20 years now..-

But hey Kozee Fruity is also sick for conceptualizing tunes ideas & samps if your on pc...

Peace.

dynamixuk · Post by **dynamixuk** » Sun Aug 13, 2006 5:58 pm

there is NO right or wrong way to make music and you should use whatever program you feel comfortable using to do it.

If you used soundforge already i recomend acid as a starting point, works with both midi and audio great and is straight forward to use. Can be used as a vst instrument too if you decide later to use one of many versions of cuebase.
I have used acid for ages (oh aye) n it suits me fine, not sayin it's the best program out there i just like using it.

jay · Post by **jay** » Sun Aug 13, 2006 6:01 pm

get logic, put some drum samples in the exs24 sampler that comes with logic, set the tempo to 138-140bpm in the transport window, go into the matrix editor and structure a drum pattern, once you are satisfied look into the synths logic has, ie- esp, es1,2 etc etc...knock a bass line up, put a chord or melody over that bass line using a logic synth mentioned above or something else like the evb etc etc..., think about what you want the tune to do, sequence in 64 bar phrases...
here's some i prepared earlier

www.myspace.com/darkstar001

shonky · Post by **shonky** » Sun Aug 13, 2006 7:51 pm

jay wrote:get logic, put some drum samples in the exs24 sampler that comes with logic, set the tempo to 138-140bpm in the transport window, go into the matrix editor and structure a drum pattern, once you are satisfied look into the synths logic has, ie- esp, es1,2 etc etc...knock a bass line up, put a chord or melody over that bass line using a logic synth mentioned above or something else like the evb etc etc..., think about what you want the tune to do, sequence in 64 bar phrases...
here's some i prepared earlier

www.myspace.com/darkstar001

Fuck the matrix editor, play the beats in - this is why so many dubstep beats sound mechanical. Ask JJ, the man knows.

Oh, and although Live is better for on the fly chicanery, Logic has better quality sound as it's designed for everything from sequencing to mastering in mind. Of course you could always record in Live and then master in Sound Forge as a handy workaround

jay · Post by **jay** » Sun Aug 13, 2006 8:14 pm

matrix editor is tight mate, i know what ur sayin about mechanical rhythms but there is ways to get round that, ie- set up 32/64 step grid's and add shuffle's or off beat snare and hats...matrix is sik man, no denying that

eventualdecline · Post by **eventualdecline** » Sun Aug 13, 2006 8:38 pm

masstronaut · Post by **masstronaut** » Sun Aug 13, 2006 9:21 pm

Re: Live CCs - You can have 'Envelopes' for any/all CCs in any MIDI clip.

Live is great for jamming.

Logic is pure quality and perfect for precise control.

Fruity is good for getting stuff going quickly.

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I give my vote to this: http://www.xt-hq.com/

Great price, flexible, does most everything you need. Can be a bit oblique though so maybe not the best thing to learn on.

eventualdecline · Post by **eventualdecline** » Sun Aug 13, 2006 9:26 pm

masstronaut: thanks for that, after reading what you posted I did a bit more research and figured how to draw in the cc values.

kozee · Post by **kozee** » Wed Aug 16, 2006 2:14 am

fankssssss guys.

superisk · Post by **superisk** » Wed Aug 16, 2006 9:45 am

Does anyone here use Reason for tuneage?? Been using it alongside Cubase for a while, starting to grow out of it now....What do peeps think of it??

kozee · Post by **kozee** » Thu Aug 17, 2006 4:48 pm

Reason aight to me. That's what I first program I learned in my Midi class.

I remembered a question I had...

Is there a basic structure for a dubstep tune as far as the measure and bars?

I know there is a basic structure for all generas but then there is ALWAYS variation on that basic structure.

ekstrak · Post by **ekstrak** » Thu Aug 17, 2006 11:06 pm

measures and bars, no not really.

structure though is pretty much like all dance music.

firstly ask yourself are you creating a roller or a set smasher ?

if its a roller then your structure is all about not making too big a deal of things, not showing off, but paying serious attention to detail of your breaks and playing madly with rhythm and 'step'.

if its a set smasher then you're all about an intro followed by a drop, followed by a second (etc etc) and then often building to a climax.

most stuff generally falls pretty loosely into those two categories.

the beauty of it all though is that there are no rules, there is no 'dubstep structure' in the same way there is no 'minimal techno structure'.. what you're creating is a musical journey for your audience, whatever happens should be relevant to that, not to some pre-concieved idea of 'form'.

superisk · Post by **superisk** » Fri Aug 18, 2006 6:15 pm

Creating rhythm is one of the most important things imo....Getting the drums and the bass to work together, and complement eachother...
DnB is a good example, most tunes have that same drum lick with the usual rhythm, then theres a catchy bassline with a completely different rhythm on top and often the melody will have a dif rhythm too....Sounds messy and uninspired...
Old skool Jungle used to have one solid rhythm, same as most Dubstep, getting that down is vital

PS sorry about YET ANOTHER DnB comparison

ekstrak · Post by **ekstrak** » Fri Aug 18, 2006 8:46 pm

I'd fully agree with that. Its all about developments on "One Drop"

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