Reason Automation problems!

serox · Post by **serox** » Thu Mar 12, 2009 10:44 am

danbanana wrote:A project file is avalible here:
http://www.mediafire.com/?zdo5nmdajiy
The first bar is correct, the rest are copyed and pasted, it comes back in on the 4th bar correctly, cheers guys!

I am at work so cannot open the file.

Can you take a screen shot for us please of the sequencer and the unit with the problem?:)

beerz · Post by **beerz** » Thu Mar 12, 2009 10:45 am

ive lloked at the project file....which bar is the 1 u want it to sound like? the 1st bar?

danbanana · Post by **danbanana** » Thu Mar 12, 2009 11:22 am

bEErz wrote:ive lloked at the project file....which bar is the 1 u want it to sound like? the 1st bar?

Yeah the first one is the correct one, the rest are just copyed and pasted.
cheers!

futures_untold · Post by **futures_untold** » Thu Mar 12, 2009 11:55 am

The LFO on the subtractor is free running. If you use the lfo/mod on the Malstrom, you can get around this problem.

I've wired a combi for you that uses the Mod A for the lfo to filter function.

I've also lengthened the midi notes so they are flush, put the polyuphony to 1 (which forces adsr retriggering on the sub and lfo etriggering on the malstrom)....

Hopefully that will have it sorted..!!!

Link to follow

danbanana · Post by **danbanana** » Thu Mar 12, 2009 12:12 pm

futures_untold wrote:The LFO on the subtractor is free running. If you use the lfo/mod on the Malstrom, you can get around this problem.

I've wired a combi for you that uses the Mod A for the lfo to filter function.

I've also lengthened the midi notes so they are flush, put the polyuphony to 1 (which forces adsr retriggering on the sub and lfo etriggering on the malstrom)....

Hopefully that will have it sorted..!!!

Link to follow

Sounds like a solution!
eagerly awaiting link =D

futures_untold · Post by **futures_untold** » Thu Mar 12, 2009 12:17 pm

Sorry, experimenting and finding it no so simple haha!

I'll post the link as soon as I've sussed it properly

futures_untold · Post by **futures_untold** » Thu Mar 12, 2009 12:44 pm

Weird shit.

Basically, I think it is due to the fact that you have a tempo sync'd lfo, and that the rate changes mid note.

I set the polyphony to 1 which will reatrigger the lfo per note, plus I got the Malstrom Mod providing the lfo to filter function, yet it is still happenning!

One way of getting around this would be to bounce the first bare, then to use the NN19 or NNXT to trigger bars 2, 3 & 4.

I'll see if I can suss it properly though... I have a feeling that if the LFO rate was unsync'd, you could achieve the same thing without this problem... :shrug:

danbanana · Post by **danbanana** » Thu Mar 12, 2009 12:46 pm

futures_untold wrote:Weird shit.

Basically, I think it is due to the fact that you have a tempo sync'd lfo, and that the rate changes mid note.

I set the polyphony to 1 which will reatrigger the lfo per note, plus I got the Malstrom Mod providing the lfo to filter function, yet it is still happenning!

One way of getting around this would be to bounce the first bare, then to use the NN19 or NNXT to trigger bars 2, 3 & 4.

I'll see if I can suss it properly though... I have a feeling that if the LFO rate was unsync'd, you could achieve the same thing without this problem... :shrug:

Thanks mate i appreciate you looking at it, i think i'll use the samplers for the basslines for now.
Much appreciated!

futures_untold · Post by **futures_untold** » Thu Mar 12, 2009 1:32 pm

Ok, I've sussed it. I just need to tidy up the automation and beef that bass and I'll send it over!

serox · Post by **serox** » Thu Mar 12, 2009 1:43 pm

futures_untold wrote:Ok, I've sussed it. I just need to tidy up the automation and beef that bass and I'll send it over!

sounds like bit of a mission tbh.

The only problem he has is the subtraktor is going out of sync? why not just find out what the problem is.

futures_untold · Post by **futures_untold** » Thu Mar 12, 2009 1:53 pm

Here we go ---> http://www.mediafire.com/?jmjmzz2e1ln

Here's how I did it.

I created a malstrom to be used as the LFO source. (Mod A)
I set the polyphony to 1 on both the Subtractor (the noise source) and the Malstrom (the LFO source).
I combined the two so I could use the Combinators performance controls for more flexability.

I've put the midi notes that you actually hear on the Combinators Piano roll

I've created and extra sequencer lane for the Malstrom so that I could trigger the LFO changes with a new midi note. This resets the LFO (Mod A) so it triggers at the speed we automate it, not half way through the tempo sync (if that makes sense)???

I swapped the wobble duties to Filter 2 on the Subtractor... This freed up the lovely Notch filter on Filter 1

I added a sub layer and a beef layer.

Bobs your uncle!

Serox wrote:
futures_untold wrote:Ok, I've sussed it. I just need to tidy up the automation and beef that bass and I'll send it over!
sounds like bit of a mission tbh.

The only problem he has is the subtraktor is going out of sync? why not just find out what the problem is.

The problem was that because the lfo was sync'd, and the rate changed mid note, it went out of time. Setting polyphony to 1 retriggered the lfo each time a new midi note was played.

Using the Malstroms Mod section negates the fact the the Subtractors LFO freecycles.

Using a seperate lane just to sequence the LFO rate changes by using midi notes to retrigger the LFO every time sussed the problem.

I also use a nonsync'd LFO!

Proppa mission

Time for lunch!

Ps, if you don't like the extra synths, just solo OSC A on the submixer to return to the original sound.

Pps, don't worry that the group blocks are not the same colour. They actually sound exactly the same!

futures_untold · Post by **futures_untold** » Thu Mar 12, 2009 1:56 pm

Double post

futures_untold · Post by **futures_untold** » Thu Mar 12, 2009 2:05 pm

Triple post!!!

abZ · Post by **abZ** » Thu Mar 12, 2009 2:08 pm

futures_untold wrote:Weird shit.

Basically, I think it is due to the fact that you have a tempo sync'd lfo, and that the rate changes mid note.

I set the polyphony to 1 which will reatrigger the lfo per note, plus I got the Malstrom Mod providing the lfo to filter function, yet it is still happenning!

One way of getting around this would be to bounce the first bare, then to use the NN19 or NNXT to trigger bars 2, 3 & 4.

I'll see if I can suss it properly though... I have a feeling that if the LFO rate was unsync'd, you could achieve the same thing without this problem... :shrug:

Yep I think you are correct. That is kinda shit tho. Time to check out Ableton imo

BTW I don't think the bass line sounds bad the way it is. One sure fire way to make a boring bass line is to have the same exact loop play over and over again. But I would want to make the subtle changes myself not the program.

My final answer: Ableton

futures_untold · Post by **futures_untold** » Thu Mar 12, 2009 2:12 pm

Tbh, this problem would've happened on many VSTi's as well.

danbanana · Post by **danbanana** » Thu Mar 12, 2009 2:12 pm

wicked!
but it says its not valid on mediafire
i apreciate you spending so much time on it =D

futures_untold · Post by **futures_untold** » Thu Mar 12, 2009 2:13 pm

danbanana wrote:wicked!
but it says its not valid on mediafire
i apreciate you spending so much time on it =D

Sorry, I reupped it. Try again now

futures_untold · Post by **futures_untold** » Thu Mar 12, 2009 2:23 pm

Is this also you??? http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=239804

danbanana · Post by **danbanana** » Thu Mar 12, 2009 2:28 pm

Nope lol, did post on some other forums but this was most helpfull

futures_untold · Post by **futures_untold** » Thu Mar 12, 2009 2:31 pm

Payment to be made = 1 box of Terrys Chocolate Orange.... Thanx

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