a bit of humility

blackdown · Post by **blackdown** » Mon Dec 19, 2005 7:05 pm

i dont know how many people are new to the scene or have been there from day, but it's worth appreciating that dubstep headz have put up with pretty much constant abuse from all directions since the scene started five years ago.

The 2steppers said we were too dark, the grime people thought we were breakbeat, the d&b people couldnt get the lack of rush and bloggers/hipsters said it was sh*t.

Lots of times not many people came to the nights. DJs seldom ever get paid. the vinyl cost the artists money to put out, not made money. radio cost money to play on too.

Between them all they told us this sound would never work, or last or go anywhere. Yet it did.

This happened because a small group of people put their heads down in London and refused to listen or waver.

So perhaps this might explain a bit of the reaction when suddenly lots of other people worldwide are involved. and i'm not making a value judgement here, i'm just trying to describe what's going on.

alex bk-bk · Post by **alex bk-bk** » Mon Dec 19, 2005 7:09 pm

nail on the head martin

j_j · Post by **j_j** » Mon Dec 19, 2005 7:24 pm

Blackdown wrote:i dont know how many people are new to the scene or have been there from day, but it's worth appreciating that dubstep headz have put up with pretty much constant abuse from all directions since the scene started five years ago.

The 2steppers said we were too dark, the grime people thought we were breakbeat, the d&b people couldnt get the lack of rush and bloggers/hipsters said it was sh*t.

Lots of times not many people came to the nights. DJs seldom ever get paid. the vinyl cost the artists money to put out, not made money. radio cost money to play on too.

Between them all they told us this sound would never work, or last or go anywhere. Yet it did.

This happened because a small group of people put their heads down in London and refused to listen or waver.

So perhaps this might explain a bit of the reaction when suddenly lots of other people worldwide are involved. and i'm not making a value judgement here, i'm just trying to describe what's going on.

BRAP!!
NOW U KNOW!!

slengleteng · Post by **slengleteng** » Mon Dec 19, 2005 7:24 pm

Alex bk-bk wrote:nail on the head martin

Always

sek [espionage] · Post by **sek [espionage]** » Mon Dec 19, 2005 7:32 pm

Blackdown wrote:i dont know how many people are new to the scene or have been there from day, but it's worth appreciating that dubstep headz have put up with pretty much constant abuse from all directions since the scene started five years ago.

The 2steppers said we were too dark, the grime people thought we were breakbeat, the d&b people couldnt get the lack of rush and bloggers/hipsters said it was sh*t.

Lots of times not many people came to the nights. DJs seldom ever get paid. the vinyl cost the artists money to put out, not made money. radio cost money to play on too.

Between them all they told us this sound would never work, or last or go anywhere. Yet it did.

This happened because a small group of people put their heads down in London and refused to listen or waver.

So perhaps this might explain a bit of the reaction when suddenly lots of other people worldwide are involved. and i'm not making a value judgement here, i'm just trying to describe what's going on.

very well put.

seckle · Post by **seckle** » Mon Dec 19, 2005 7:40 pm

Blackdown wrote: This happened because a small group of people put their heads down in London and refused to listen or waver.

you'd be an idiot to try and argue that london isn't the hub for this scene. there's not much debate over that. i just want to know why people need to divide and conquer so frequently in here?

the same thing got started in dnb about 5 years ago with the fiascos and general drama over jumpup,techstep,ragga,liquid,neuro and darkstep and which camps controlled which sound...etcetc.
now five years on, all that bullshit was for nought because, those subgenres still fly under the collective dnb flag. what a waste of energy.
i'd hate to see that happen to this scene.

rickyricardo · Post by **rickyricardo** » Mon Dec 19, 2005 7:55 pm

seckle wrote: the same thing got started in dnb about 5 years ago with the fiascos and general drama over jumpup,techstep,ragga,liquid,neuro and darkstep and which camps controlled which sound...etcetc.

Better yet, this whole argument seems like a new "jungle vs. drum'n'bass" in the making (with just about as much resolution when all's said and done). Whereas, you can really argue till you're blue in the face over why something fits this category and not that one....but for what? At the end of the day it's still the same heads listening to all the same music, and influencing each other....regardless of what you want to call it.

kion · Post by **kion** » Mon Dec 19, 2005 8:03 pm

The thing that nobody seems to have mentioned yet, is that there are quite a few producers out there who have been doing their own thing for a long time, and getting nowhere because their music didn't fit into a set 'genre' or 'scene'. I'm talking about those who have the talent to be recognised but aren't due to geographical differences or other reasons, not the ones who are plain crap lol.

The Breakbeat and UK Garage scenes locked off a lot of producers who were making what you could now define as derivatives of breakstep/dubstep now.

And so (like Blackdown mentioned) the original producers and DJ's have stood up for what they believed in, and got off their arses and done something about it before anyone else as a collective group.

Whether this was a conscious decision or not is irrelevant.

Respect to the pioneers, but it's also a critical mass thats been slowly developing amongst a fair amount of producers for quite a number of years - there's just been no visible channel for it up until now.

But what this multifaceted scene (dub-, half-, break- : and any other current sub-genre) has done is given a hub by which these producers can now connect and contribute in a positive way. And that's why it seems to be growing across borders fairly rapidly.

Although I can also see the jungle / drum n bass / hardstep / two step / 3 step / techstep splintering being mirrored by dubstep / breakstep / halfstep etc at the moment - the sooner it's all bannered back under UKG the better... I'm joking of course! But as they say, never a truer word...

paulie · Post by **paulie** » Mon Dec 19, 2005 9:04 pm

I think it's a good thing that no-one has tried to "lock off" dubstep. The fact that new people can get in easily keeps it fresh, keeps eveyone on their toes.

dubmugga · Post by **dubmugga** » Tue Dec 20, 2005 12:44 am

KION wrote:The thing that nobody seems to have mentioned yet, is that there are quite a few producers out there who have been doing their own thing for a long time, and getting nowhere because their music didn't fit into a set 'genre' or 'scene'. I'm talking about those who have the talent to be recognised but aren't due to geographical differences or other reasons, not the ones who are plain crap lol.

uh excuse me but that's just why everyone would like to ignore us, we're an anomalous distraction but oh so relevent and if it were'nt for my constant chest thumping we could easily get overlooked...

...as much as I'd just like to let our beats do the talking we are constrained by our geographical location as we can't play out, remix, start label or promote our own night where the hub is so the net is our only real tool of promotion

we been making stuff for years that no one got, wasn't of any value to anybody and didn't fit anywhere...

...oh and JJ, alex an twiggy if you come with the petty insults again i m gonna go all out flamethrower on your asses. Fuck bullshit net humility it don't mean shit. Save it for real life

don't think you can start shit then crawl behind the scene group mentality...

...i will troll your asses in every thread if i have to and you really have no idea how trash mouth i can get

stil wanna play ???

amen-ra · Post by **amen-ra** » Tue Dec 20, 2005 12:50 am

U know what we all need to do? Get the dubstep selections out and put them headphones on.

"99 plus one UNNAMEABLE"

This forums bad for your spirituals

dubmugga · Post by **dubmugga** » Tue Dec 20, 2005 1:10 am

the net as a whole is bad for the spirituals...

...i think it's cos one can develop an inflated sense of their own self worth and can hide behind a pseudonym to do it without the normal checks and balances which govern our behavoiur in real life situations

then there is the amount of husk one has to sort through to find the kernel of truth in everyone...

...dealing with real people looking them in the eye and talking straight up will always be the measure of a person

there is method in my madness though, like i said we are not digital mystics we are hell scientists conducting fiendish experiments on an unsuspecting public...

...but don't tell anyone it'll ruin the fun, once the observer becomes aware of their involvement of being observed it changes the result

alex bk-bk · Post by **alex bk-bk** » Tue Dec 20, 2005 1:18 am

dubmugga wrote: don't think you can start shit then crawl behind the scene group mentality...

...i will troll your asses in every thread if i have to and you really have no idea how trash mouth i can get

you're continually proving your worth son, doing the flaming for me. i'm finished with you!

dubmugga · Post by **dubmugga** » Tue Dec 20, 2005 1:26 am

cheers dad

dj $hy · Post by **dj $hy** » Tue Dec 20, 2005 10:05 am

Get a life you lot

Spend this time in the studio rather that chatting shit on hear.

Its getting really annyoying having to troll through your shit just to get to points.

ALSO

It seems like EVERY thread you lot fight on is getting hijacked now, I dont come here to listen to your bitching.

j_j · Post by **j_j** » Tue Dec 20, 2005 10:21 am

dubmugga :
...oh and JJ, alex an twiggy if you come with the petty insults again i m gonna go all out flamethrower on your asses. Fuck bullshit net humility it don't mean shit. Save it for real life

yes ill play u prick real life, or on the net .who the fuck do u think you are .youre nothing mate jus a fucking annoying prick on the forum everyone tries to ignore ,juvenile antics are really grating on people who on the whole just use the forum to talk about music.is the reason u bitch so muc because your really doing fuck all BUT bitching on the forum?.

andythetwig · Post by **andythetwig** » Tue Dec 20, 2005 10:46 am

dubmugga wrote:if you come with the petty insults again i m gonna go all out flamethrower on your asses.

HA!

what an impotent, flaccid, dripping phallus you are
what a talentless dreamer, a pitiful slug.
what a social retard, a procrastinating pisswahn.
fire my ass baby! coz dubmugga's a mug!

j/k mate.

look, it ain't hard, just post some demo beatz, design a website, start a night in NZ, print some t-shirts. I'm far from "inside" the scene, haven't been to DMZ yet, but I'm already on first name terms with several of the producers who frequent this forum, just by being nice! It's about doing, not saying!

scarecrow · Post by **scarecrow** » Tue Dec 20, 2005 11:25 am

Oh dear, it seems we've gone down the old dubplate.net path. Can you people show a bit of maturity? I think everyone's missing the point really.

And people used to say 'it's all about the music'.

paulie · Post by **paulie** » Tue Dec 20, 2005 11:38 am

It's all about the music!

scarecrow · Post by **scarecrow** » Tue Dec 20, 2005 11:42 am

a bit of humility

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