Dubstep's dead baby, Dubstep's dead

[seckle]

well, let's just call it a rather brave plunge into the deep end!

reminds of the time i registered to the toastandjam forum, and told all of them to f right off with their boring bread and jelly.

ahh, those were fine internet moments i tell thee. i really let them have it.

[seckle]

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crazy d?

[thump rat]

I'm loving alot of dubstep at the moment, aslong as sick and diverse tunes keep coming out then its not dead.

And Bowie needs to do a dubstep record, He killed the AMEN!

[tronman]

its dance music init.have you ever been to fwd or dmz or any dubstep dance with a bangin system before? cos thats where its at mate. it aint all about your myspace beats or dubstep cds for the comfort of your own home. its about goin to a dance lettin off. dubstep is the music of now its always gonna change just let mandem do their thing init.

[elgato]

if you'd been eating toast and jam for a while tho, and thinking about it, particularly in the context of other breakfast possibilities, and decided that these ppl at the toastandjam forum might be getting a little too singleminded about their choice of toasted product and accompanying condiment...fair game imo

for me, the 2step vs halfstep thing completely misses the point

either one can be restrictive, it seems that ppl will often prefer one or the other but thats different to claiming one to be somehow objectively superior

all depends on assumptions and fundamentals

chat to most who grew up through speed garage and the 2step zeitgeist and im sure they'll tell you how just how standardised and lame a lot of it became...rose tinted glasses etc

i think the real debate, and hopefully the one to come here, is regarding rigidity of frameworks, archetypes, a lack of openess in form (i.e. too many producers listening to too much dubstep, not enough other music), the shifts and growing pains etc...

[kion]

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crazy d?

lol, if it is, thats one hot potato!

[DeepThought]

its dance music init.have you ever been to fwd or dmz or any dubstep dance with a bangin system before? cos thats where its at mate. it aint all about your myspace beats or dubstep cds for the comfort of your own home. its about goin to a dance lettin off. dubstep is the music of now its always gonna change just let mandem do their thing init.

pure & simple.

[afincham83]

i find funny at how most people think something (ie dubstep) should be one way, and if it isnt , then it should be criticized and not be. as long as you can bob your head or it makes ya feel good , who cares. and if you dont agree with the way certain dubstep records are going, then dont buy them and not support it.

[deapoh]

Fuck off. Listen to your dnb thats prob more diverse for you init.

that's not the most contructive response deaps!

Who gives a shit at what I got to say?

[seckle]

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crazy d?

lol, if it is, thats one hot potato!

~~~wo wo wo woi!~~~~

[adruu]

[Kursed]

For the love of it yeah!

[mico viejo]

" think the real debate, and hopefully the one to come here, is regarding rigidity of frameworks, archetypes, a lack of openess in form (i.e. too many producers listening to too much dubstep, not enough other music)"

Some intelligence at last.

And yo, all those getting uptight; don't take me too seriously.

[boomnoise]

" think the real debate, and hopefully the one to come here, is regarding rigidity of frameworks, archetypes, a lack of openess in form (i.e. too many producers listening to too much dubstep, not enough other music)"

Some intelligence at last.

And yo, all those getting uptight; don't take me too seriously.

i really don't think it's the case that producers only listen to dubstep at the expense of other musics. far from it.

[digital]

I'm playing devil's advocate a bit, but heres something to think about:

We're starting to see Dubstep's influence spreading to other areas of music now, with people outside the scene mixing the sound with other genres, what might be considered the second stage of a scene, for example check:

www.myspace.com/spuek

www.various.co.uk

This aint neccesarily a bad thing (I'm personally feeling some of this), but stage 3 can't be far off: a David Bowie dubstep LP or some shit.

Secondly, I'm starting to wonder if Dubstep didn't die already the moment the name was coined. There's a lot of talk about how exciting the scene is cos it hasnt been locked down to any one thing yet, hasnt become formulaic. And yeah, maybe that was the case in the beginning. I bought some of the early Horsepower, Darqwan, Zed Bias stuff when it came out and din't really know what music it was, and I get the impression that they dint either. They just did it. And that stuff was exciting.

I'm rambling here, but what I wanted to say was that if u just check the first dubstep allstars LP it was diverse, exciting, more of a dark 2-step sound, but check allstars no.4 and 90% of it is pretty weak and samey. Kind of a wak white-man's reggae; hardly fukcing groundbreaking.

Its like once the name dubstep stuck everyone went "oh yeah, gots to stick some stupid skanking sounds and echoing vocals in now or it isnt dubstep".

Apart from that, I'm a little dubious as to whether its a real scene like grime is. Seems a little artificial to me, like its all just a fuss created on the internet. But maybe thats how all new forms are gonna develop now?

So, anyway, dubstep's dead, yeah: debate....

2 things please.

1st - How many times can a new genre be groundbreaking?

2nd - What makes a 'real scene' like grime?

And, dito to Jubscarz - the scene will be dead for me when I aint feeling the tunes no more. Dito to Tronman - Unless you have experienced dubstep for its physicality I don't think you are rightly equiped to comment on its influence. IMO, dubstep has become more diverse and offers a lot of different variations/styles. Its just a case of filtering and shortlisting your preference.

[marchon]

My view on this is that if we all stop using these forums so much, and just listen to the sound without all the bitchy back talk then maybe, we can just enjoy it for what it is.
Its *******. its just what people call it. but the sound is massive, with or without all the branding.
Smoke a spliff, turn off the screen, and listen to the record instead.
Be lonesome on this one.

[dragonmantx]

deapoh is just protecting our own, if you aint feeling dubstep you wont understand its progression or respect it... so piss off (as all you brits would say)


on a slightly related question, is limey considered a "racial slur" for a british person

[pompende]

i am kind of bothered by the "typical" dubstep sound that many new producers bring in or try to emulate.

tronman makes a good point, tho, and what i am seeing from my end is just what makes it to the internet. and theres a larger ammount of bullshit than quality that makes it on here and that is just how things go...

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worries again!! (...about dub step!)

i think its kind of sweet how we all get worried or pissed about "where dubstep is going" ... its indication that people care and thats a good thing. its also unavoidable when youre dealing with the parts of the scene that are growing globaly and thusly mediated by the internet. and forums can only convey so much....rambling now i guess.

[ramadanman]

agreed with comments about typical dubstep sound - as good as it is, i get very concious about falling into formula when producing. my first production (dynamic balancing) is pretty generic dubstep fare, but these days i'm trying to do different things other than a large LFO bassline

obvioulsy dubstep is not dead, nor is it dying. west indian centre last night - hundreds of happy faces skanking merrily away. it's about dubstep club nights. seriously. i know it's not possible for everyone, but dubstep really does have to be felt on a decent rig to get the true experience.

this week especially when faced with the question "so what music are you into" i've had to pedal out some wordy crap explaining dubstep, when what i'd rather do is get a room full of people with a soundsystem and mix them some tunes! i think people both on here and in reality often forget that it's all MUSIC.

reading this back yes i know it doesn't have much focus or point, but just a few of my thoughts.

[luke.envoy]