Chase and status vs metallica!

quidz · Post by **quidz** » Thu Apr 02, 2009 8:35 pm

tercerojista wrote:That's not a hard sample to spot!

Best Metallica sampling remains DJ Shadow's Number Song. That tune pwns.

Could you link me a youtubage please?

q23 · Post by **q23** » Thu Apr 02, 2009 8:39 pm

Cannot make them cease and decist. By law you can produce a derivitive work as long as the original author gets a cut, which is usually negotiated previous to the track's release ->Unless of course you make underground electronic music

If money is made on it, Metallica can:

A) Sue for a percentage if the sample was not cleared.

B) Get their due if the sample was cleared.

Considering Lars is a crybaby who blames Napster for their bands decline in popularity, if enough loot is actually made on the track, I could see Metallica sueing....

kidlogic · Post by **kidlogic** » Thu Apr 02, 2009 10:13 pm

g-man wrote:
Dead Rats wrote:
Surface_Tension wrote:
turfa wrote:worst part is that they released saxon and have made money from it... metallica can fuck them up surely?
Sure hope so man. They've come with how many releases now that were entirely hook and melody someone elses work. It's only fair they at least get a bit of shit for it if not a cease and desist.
This depresses me a bit. It's all money, and legality. It's not as if you could even recognize straight away that Saxon had sampled Metallica...it's just a bit harsh, brah.
dude, i noticed the first time i heard it. it's pretty blatant. i could care less though!

this is not the first time a big band has been sampled on Ram. ever heard the tune subfocus- x-ray?

X-ray is a bit different though... he didnt straight sample it, just stole the bassline melody and guitar chug pattern from that certain song (I wanna see if anyone else noticed the song as well).

No hate on C&S for that one from me though, i like what they did with it - it took me two or three times hearing it to fully get that it was 'Where ever I may roam', but I caught it was familiar from the first time I heard it.

Is that a sample for sure? I just listened to it again... that could have been recreated in a similar manner to the X-Ray thing.

surface_tension · Post by **surface_tension** » Thu Apr 02, 2009 10:31 pm

As a producer, always ask if a tune is worth sampling, isn't it also worth leaving it alone? I can almost forgive Saxon tbh, it's pretty obvious the melody is Metallica... Eastern Jam, the entire damn tune revolves around the sample though. Without that sample, it's a grinding bassline and not even a good one. It makes the entire tune. Without that sample, that tune sells jack shit. Truth.

If they'd have pressed up 500 copies, broke even and made just a little scratch on the side, I'd have no issues with it whatsoever... they sold mad copies of that release and they made a ton of money without licensing the sample... once you're releasing records that sell on that level I think you have a responsibility to clear a sample. Thing is, they couldn't clear that sample because they lifted the entire damn track and renamed it, adding a bassline. It's not artistic license or fair use in that case, it's blatant theft. Like if I come up, steal your car and use it to launch my autoracing career.

And to then threaten other producers who would then do the same thing? You gotta be out of your mind.

tercerojista · Post by **tercerojista** » Thu Apr 02, 2009 10:40 pm

quidz wrote:
tercerojista wrote:That's not a hard sample to spot!

Best Metallica sampling remains DJ Shadow's Number Song. That tune pwns.
Could you link me a youtubage please?

Are you asking for a youtube link to The Number Song?! Dude, I think you just need to buy the album. I thought everyone had Endtroducing?!?!

He samples the bassline from Orion. And it's a proper, creative bit of sampling, not like the blatantly obvious lift from Chase & Status...

tercerojista · Post by **tercerojista** » Thu Apr 02, 2009 10:41 pm

Surface_Tension wrote:If they'd have pressed up 500 copies, broke even and made just a little scratch on the side, I'd have no issues with it whatsoever... they sold mad copies of that release and they made a ton of money without licensing the sample... once you're releasing records that sell on that level I think you have a responsibility to clear a sample.

Totally.

dub fueled rage · Post by **dub fueled rage** » Thu Apr 02, 2009 10:51 pm

defoxster wrote:Love N-type chattin over saxon cracks me up every time

Blatant sample but its a completly different song over all.... Still smashs the dance every time! Out 2 those wantin bits on vinyl that would b a massive release!

'Skin up son, leave one for me' LOL

On Bits being dropped too, big, Big, BIG tune

raffia · Post by **raffia** » Fri Apr 03, 2009 12:02 am

metallica are much better than chase and status.

cure · Post by **cure** » Fri Apr 03, 2009 12:04 am

g-man wrote:
cure wrote:I think its hilarious that chase and status will go ahead a sample/rework a riff from a band as pervasive as metallica, then have the nerve to tell other people they CANNOT use the same sample they have used for eastern jam (see jayou - western jam)...
is that what you meant? if so, maybe they are pissed cause they actually paid to use the sample. i dun know.

yeah thats what I mean

they still dont own it.

jolly wailer · Post by **jolly wailer** » Fri Apr 03, 2009 12:50 am

use yr ears ffs.

tacospheros was right..

its not a sample people this thread is useless.

ahier · Post by **ahier** » Fri Apr 03, 2009 2:30 am

tercerojista wrote:
quidz wrote:
tercerojista wrote:That's not a hard sample to spot!

Best Metallica sampling remains DJ Shadow's Number Song. That tune pwns.
Could you link me a youtubage please?
Are you asking for a youtube link to The Number Song?! Dude, I think you just need to buy the album. I thought everyone had Endtroducing?!?!

He samples the bassline from Orion. And it's a proper, creative bit of sampling, not like the blatantly obvious lift from Chase & Status...

i never even noticed that song being sampled in the number song
though it was always my least favourite track on the album, its still a sick track

tercerojista · Post by **tercerojista** » Fri Apr 03, 2009 2:37 am

Jolly Wailer wrote:use yr ears ffs.

tacospheros was right..

its not a sample people this thread is useless.

No, it's not a sample! It's plagiarism.

abZ · Post by **abZ** » Fri Apr 03, 2009 2:59 am

tercerojista wrote:
Jolly Wailer wrote:use yr ears ffs.

tacospheros was right..

its not a sample people this thread is useless.
No, it's not a sample! It's plagiarism.

I am not disagreeing necessarily but if we are going to hang chase and status for this then there are a lot of other people waiting on death row. When you have millions of dance tunes that are all based off of one chord each shit is bound to overlap. Having legit morals and being into dance music at the same time is a tough thing to do. I rip shit off all the time. That is what a sampler is for and that is what I use it for. Fuck it. Sue me.

magma · Post by **magma** » Fri Apr 03, 2009 10:28 am

I don't like Metallica.

I like Saxon.

Chase and Status win.

ahier · Post by **ahier** » Fri Apr 03, 2009 10:45 am

i like both; everyone wins.

its more a reference than plagiarism, and metallica have enough money as it is. kirk hammett has horses

Dead Rats · Post by **Dead Rats** » Fri Apr 03, 2009 11:02 am

Magma wrote:I don't like Metallica.

I like Saxon.

Chase and Status win.

Yes, mate. I've always found Metallica to be completely boring metal.

gravity · Post by **gravity** » Fri Apr 03, 2009 1:06 pm

Surface_Tension wrote:
Dead Rats wrote:We had an argument about this not too long back in SNH, and I think the settled-upon conclusion was 'Sampling'.
slap the words illegal and unlicensed in the first

Hello? This is dance music... Its mostly built on illegal unlicensed sampling.

selrahc · Post by **selrahc** » Fri Apr 03, 2009 2:22 pm

Surface_Tension wrote:
turfa wrote:worst part is that they released saxon and have made money from it... metallica can fuck them up surely?
Sure hope so man. They've come with how many releases now that were entirely hook and melody someone elses work. It's only fair they at least get a bit of shit for it if not a cease and desist.

FUCK ME METALLICA SHOULD SUE I BET THEY BARE NEED THE CASH WOT WITH THE RECESSION AND ALL PLUS SOMEBODY ON DSF TOLD ME THEY'RE SNOOP DOGG MILLIONAIRES NOW

HETFIELD'S GONNA BE BLEEDING THEM DRY IN COURT GET ME

deamonds · Post by **deamonds** » Fri Apr 03, 2009 2:30 pm

yea thats pretty shit bigging up metallica over C&S

fair dues im not really on there tunes that much, but

case & stratus dubstepz>>>some old fucks with guitars (any metal/rock/indie/whatever)

jam1 · Post by **jam1** » Fri Apr 03, 2009 2:40 pm

Forgive me for being ignorant but.... I'm wondering how people know that the sample/melody wasn't cleared before it was released?

I'm more than certain Andy C and the Ram fam aren't that stupid!

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