wtf is kode9 on about?

the decoy · Post by **the decoy** » Sat Sep 30, 2006 2:00 am

wow, i really love kode 9. I love it when I hear people talk and I have no comprehensio of what the are trying to say. that guy is obviously on another plane of thought.

I guess I just like to hear people talk confusingly.

logos · Post by **logos** » Sat Sep 30, 2006 2:08 am

He's not talking about his music he is talking about his writing.

grey son · Post by **grey son** » Sat Sep 30, 2006 2:18 am

The music speaks for itself really, yeah!!!

ten city · Post by **ten city** » Sat Sep 30, 2006 2:33 am

The issue here is Cyber-hype.

Cyber-hype libidinally invests its own semiotic, propagating fictional quantities, tagging artificial agencies, and making itself up as it goes along, whilst dissolving production into cultural synthesis. As it gets cheaper it gets harder to stop , running-away off itself , and into abstraction-catastrophe, a self-assembling terrestrial destiny, softening-up social reality for flat take-over by the Cyber-hype entity...Hyper-seizure.

When hyper-cybernetics kicks-in the 'cyber-' prefix means nothing anymore.It culturally disorganizes itself into diagrammatic splinters and libidinal triggers,brands, jargons, virus, currency-tokens and traffic-signals, fragments of marketing strategy gone feral, cyberpunk fictional brands or improper names, markers of meaningless involvement, the pass-words of machinic delirium

a sine of the times, don't believe the type !!!

ufo over easy · Post by **ufo over easy** » Sat Sep 30, 2006 2:38 am

oopu · Post by **oopu** » Sat Sep 30, 2006 4:12 am

OK yea i hear his paranoid doom - i think he is amazing. A QUESTION to pose----is their any point to it if there is no savation from it---is he just stating the obvious and in doing so CREATING more fear and doom or is it a mirror a light a call to move above it -- yea the cliche your either part of the problem or part of the solution u know. But who needs to be told the obvious that we are fucked? and pay money for it to boot? Duuble fucked! lol. In this day and age this is not a trivial matter---i have a president that is only ONLY good at one thing---creating fear, dividing people, hate fear in the name of god---oh yea and torture--dont forget torture. man its fucked to live under that! two more years! shit.

nonseq · Post by **nonseq** » Sat Sep 30, 2006 1:31 pm

A big influence on Kode9's writing style is Kodwo Eshun, whom he credits under myspace>influences.
Take the sentence:
"I am interested in a vibrational rhythmanalysis of the control city."
This clearly demonstrates that Kode9 has been influenced by Eshun. It is exactly the way Eshun opened vectors of thought in his book 'More brilliant than the sun', and has an Eshunian neologism*.

Big up Kode9, dubwise and textwise!

*edit: looks like its coined by Lefebvre though

rubin · Post by **rubin** » Sat Sep 30, 2006 3:18 pm

ramadanman wrote:
kode9 wrote: On a delay unit, there is a feedback control. Across a certain threshold, the delayed sound spirals out of control, become detached from its actual source. I think this is what has happened with fear. The virtual threat of terrorism or viruses doesn't need to actualize any more, as all is needed is the signs of alarm. Actual fear has become autonomous, opening a potential to activate unpredictable affective escalations. An ambient state of emergency guided by a political uncertainty principle: avian flu multiplied by asymmetric warfare.
i thought this bit was really interesting

yeah me too. some seriously deep shit. not sure about the pseudo-intellectual terminology in bits of the passage but this section is pretty fucking interesting.

very unique way of viewing bass/beats... got me thinking...

aaron contreras · Post by **aaron contreras** » Sat Sep 30, 2006 10:36 pm

One of the best qualities of being an artist with an audience has to be the instant credibility gained by any shit that flies out of your mouth.

I don't care what nonsense the man spits so long as he keeps making fat tracks.

Jubz · Post by **Jubz** » Sat Sep 30, 2006 10:58 pm

Aaron Contreras wrote:One of the best qualities of being an artist with an audience has to be the instant credibility gained by any shit that flies out of your mouth.

I don't care what nonsense the man spits so long as he keeps making fat tracks.

Safe mate, couldnt have said it better.

mr. messer · Post by **mr. messer** » Sun Oct 01, 2006 3:32 am

sapphic_beats wrote:damn. kode 9 just won me over even more.

i can't help it. i love people who have put that much thought into their music...

basically what i got out of it is that he is using the sounds (specifically the bass) in his tunes as a microcosmic representation of the presence of a continuous overall presence of fear and dread in society as a control mechanism.

like in the last part, he is basically saying the state of politics/society right now is that you don't even need actual terrorists or terrorist attacks anymore, when the fear factor and the random uses of terror alerts and media hype are enough to raise the fear levels and create a mechanism of control that goes even deeper than politics.

politicians don't really need to do much to control people when the populace has fear and paranoia so deeply engrained that they will ALLOW themselves to be controlled and will even inflict their own fear upon others in the form of smaller controls or even violence and racism with little to no pressure from the outside.

the feedback loop is representing how the layers of fear just build upon themselves until the "before 9/11" mind is virtually lost and all that exists is an endless supply of dread that makes the populace more pliable and obedient to any control methods used by those in power. fear has become the point, instead of political terrorism or ideology or any of the other numerous excuses given to us by terrorists OR governments...an autonomous being working under its own necessities and ideologies. it dosen't NEED to be pushed onto us anymore, when it grows exponentially of its own accord.

so the way i read this is that he is using the sounds in his music as a sonic representation of this state of fear and the multiple layers of dread/control that have been introduced into the public mind...

thoughts?

heres a thought...

youre boring

mr. messer · Post by **mr. messer** » Sun Oct 01, 2006 3:43 am

boomnoise wrote:it seems convoluted (which it is) it seems theory-laden (which it kinda is) but break it down and it's actually 'quite' straight forward.

thass true rooboy.

its actually quite interestin (though far-fetched as the concept of sound could be substituted with anythin that has similar properties to illustrate all that political shit... which for all i can see that is what hes goin on about... politics... all that sonic shit just illustrates it dunnit?...) if u avoid drownin in all the shit surroundin it.

but what the fuck is avian flu

grey son · Post by **grey son** » Sun Oct 01, 2006 1:45 pm

Grey Son wrote:The music speaks for itself really, yeah!!!

Yeah really, i mean it!!
Push buttons or push on...............
YA DIG????????????

human? · Post by **human?** » Sun Oct 01, 2006 1:54 pm

I am interested in a vibrational rhythmanalysis of the control city.

BOOM!!!!!!!!!!

the truth lies somewhere between a lie and a fiction....

TESTAMENT!! i say to the spirit of the culture

metalboxproducts · Post by **metalboxproducts** » Sun Oct 01, 2006 3:36 pm

Mr. Messer wrote: but what the fuck is avian flu

Bird flu.
I think he was using it as an example of how a story can be used to create fear and anxiety in the population. The threat of h5n1 was ramped up in the press to the point where everyone thought we were going to get it. In a number of articles the flu pandemic of the early 20th century was used as an example of how serious the death toll from bird flu could be. All this with out any evidence the the virus has mutated into a form that can be transmited from human to human. Country's and government were complicite in this fear mongoring by stock pilling vacine.This act propagated the percieved threat in the publics mind.

Is there a threat from bird flu?

Has the virus mutated into a form the can be transmited from human to human?

Was it wise to stock pile vacine?

Is there still a threat?

Why was this given so much coverage in the world wide press?

What else was going on in the world when this happened?

When was the last time you saw an article about this in the press?

About a year ago?

I blame Bush. He started aids aswell.....

boomnoise · Post by **boomnoise** » Sun Oct 01, 2006 3:40 pm

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Monster-Our-Doo ... F8&s=books

not a bad read on the subject.

djshiva · Post by **djshiva** » Mon Oct 02, 2006 1:03 am

UFO over easy wrote:
sapphic beats wrote:yet at the same time you DO have to speak to your audience in a language they will understand, while still challenging.
It seems to me like most of the time, their audience is themselves and their contemporaries. People who engage in continental philosophy, mythology and random occult nonsense.. so for them it's all gravy.

sadly tho, like much of academia, it just becomes so insular that it's up it's own arse, accomplishing little to nothing. again, i dig his ideas, i think he's just burying it under layers of jargon.

i love some philosophic meandering thoughts, but i prefer to make it more accessible to everyone. maybe that's the anarchist in me speaking...

djshiva · Post by **djshiva** » Mon Oct 02, 2006 1:08 am

Mr. Messer wrote:
sapphic_beats wrote:damn. kode 9 just won me over even more.

i can't help it. i love people who have put that much thought into their music...

basically what i got out of it is that he is using the sounds (specifically the bass) in his tunes as a microcosmic representation of the presence of a continuous overall presence of fear and dread in society as a control mechanism.

like in the last part, he is basically saying the state of politics/society right now is that you don't even need actual terrorists or terrorist attacks anymore, when the fear factor and the random uses of terror alerts and media hype are enough to raise the fear levels and create a mechanism of control that goes even deeper than politics.

politicians don't really need to do much to control people when the populace has fear and paranoia so deeply engrained that they will ALLOW themselves to be controlled and will even inflict their own fear upon others in the form of smaller controls or even violence and racism with little to no pressure from the outside.

the feedback loop is representing how the layers of fear just build upon themselves until the "before 9/11" mind is virtually lost and all that exists is an endless supply of dread that makes the populace more pliable and obedient to any control methods used by those in power. fear has become the point, instead of political terrorism or ideology or any of the other numerous excuses given to us by terrorists OR governments...an autonomous being working under its own necessities and ideologies. it dosen't NEED to be pushed onto us anymore, when it grows exponentially of its own accord.

so the way i read this is that he is using the sounds in his music as a sonic representation of this state of fear and the multiple layers of dread/control that have been introduced into the public mind...

thoughts?
heres a thought...

youre boring

here's a thought...

the original poster asked what the fuck kode 9 was saying. i made an attempt to decipher it.

thanks for your pointless assessment.

mixastopholese · Post by **mixastopholese** » Mon Oct 02, 2006 3:29 pm

nonseq wrote:A big influence on Kode9's writing style is Kodwo Eshun, whom he credits under myspace>influences.
Take the sentence:
"I am interested in a vibrational rhythmanalysis of the control city."
This clearly demonstrates that Kode9 has been influenced by Eshun. It is exactly the way Eshun opened vectors of thought in his book 'More brilliant than the sun', and has an Eshunian neologism*.

Big up Kode9, dubwise and textwise!

I have to say that I thought that the Kode9 interview was fantastic first of all.
Second of all for those of you who did find his sonic philosophical waxing, intersting, check out Kowdo Eschun's book "More Brilliant Then The Sun; Adventures in Sonic Fiction". Its an amazing book that develops and extrapolates on the ideas of the mythos of music from Jazz through Funk, Hip Hop, Techno, and Jungle. He deals with the Black Atlantic, Sun Ra's cosmos, and the timestreaching, of dub and jungle.
While also a little dense of read it truley is an amazing book, and if Kode9's interview is a taste of the book he is working on, then I'm already left slaivating for it.

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