Do younger Dubstep fans realize DUB influences like....

blazey · Post by **blazey** » Fri May 15, 2009 12:03 pm

THE-VOICE-OF-REASON wrote:TBH i think dubstep owes more to rave culture(dnb/jungle/acid) than it does to dub and i don't think its important to understand the roots of any style to enjoy it.

Whenever this conversation gets brought up no one really gives any reference to Garage/Grime.

Ticks me off tbh

cosmic_surgeon · Post by **cosmic_surgeon** » Fri May 15, 2009 12:10 pm

How old is "younger"? I'm 21, and I listened to dub and reggae before I listened to dubstep, thanks to my cous' sending me this Linton Kwesi Johnson album to check out as a teenager. Listened to him, Scientist, King Tubby, Augustus Pablo, Johnny Osbourne, Peter Tosh and Lee "Scratch" Perry back then. Not so much now, however, though I've been getting cravings for the sound again recently.

egoless · Post by **egoless** » Fri May 15, 2009 12:14 pm

Not only dubstep, dub has influenced the whole music in BIG BIG way. Especially electronic music... It's the most groundbreaking style ever evolved.

Personally, I like what the French people have done with dub, they evolved it in sooo good way, combining traditional and electronic, oriental, ambient and psychedelic, dubstep and drum and bass... truly amazing

I'm talking ofcourse about High Tone, Zenzile, Ez3kiel, Improvisators dub, Kaly live dub and the likes...

wolf89 · Post by **wolf89** » Fri May 15, 2009 12:21 pm

EGOLESS wrote: I'm talking ofcourse about High Tone

Saw them at Dour a couple years back. It was pretty dope.

cosmic_surgeon · Post by **cosmic_surgeon** » Fri May 15, 2009 12:23 pm

EGOLESS wrote:
Personally, I like what the French people have done with dub, they evolved it in sooo good way, combining traditional and electronic, oriental, ambient and psychedelic, dubstep and drum and bass... truly amazing

I'm talking ofcourse about High Tone, Zenzile, Ez3kiel, Improvisators dub, Kaly live dub and the likes...

I love French House, but I'd never heard of French Dub before. You have brightened my day. This music is aaawesome.

egoless · Post by **egoless** » Fri May 15, 2009 12:28 pm

Cosmic Surgeon wrote:I love French House, but I'd never heard of French Dub before. You have brightened my day. This music is aaawesome.

I'm glad I did

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qo26wOYHsAA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fqlLZVc ... re=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLeHONLB8D8

http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p ... DXoQ0FqaWw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMP0QI4TGsg

http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p ... fDZj-sAH74

fork · Post by **fork** » Fri May 15, 2009 12:33 pm

blazey wrote:
THE-VOICE-OF-REASON wrote:TBH i think dubstep owes more to rave culture(dnb/jungle/acid) than it does to dub and i don't think its important to understand the roots of any style to enjoy it.
Whenever this conversation gets brought up no one really gives any reference to Garage/Grime.

Ticks me off tbh

I think that alot of the influence comes from these, but with dubstep there is influences from so many different genres it is hard to say, although i do think the garage/grime influence is much stronger than the dub one.

godflesh fiend · Post by **godflesh fiend** » Fri May 15, 2009 1:04 pm

fork46 wrote: although i do think the garage/grime influence is much stronger than the dub one.

Dub is a huge part of Garage & Grime.....i.e the Bass and Drums up front in the mix. So It's a given that Garage/Grime & Dub are a big influence on Dubstep. But to say Garage & Grime is a bigger influence is wrong......regardless if Dubstep did come from Garage & Grime.......simply because DnB, Techno, Garage, Grime, Hip Hop etc all came from Dub.

I think that the main reason people bring up the Dub thing over Garage/Grime is because the classic Dub records crap all over Garage & Grime records.

Reggae is the daddy!

de-fi · Post by **de-fi** » Fri May 15, 2009 1:33 pm

Cosmic Surgeon wrote:
EGOLESS wrote:
Personally, I like what the French people have done with dub, they evolved it in sooo good way, combining traditional and electronic, oriental, ambient and psychedelic, dubstep and drum and bass... truly amazing

I'm talking ofcourse about High Tone, Zenzile, Ez3kiel, Improvisators dub, Kaly live dub and the likes...
I love French House, but I'd never heard of French Dub before. You have brightened my day. This music is aaawesome.

Man, the french are seriously rocking it dubwise.

I love the band 'Leido' (spelt like that but with the two dots over the i), got some really good tracks.

ST100 · Post by **ST100** » Fri May 15, 2009 1:38 pm

blazey wrote:
THE-VOICE-OF-REASON wrote:TBH i think dubstep owes more to rave culture(dnb/jungle/acid) than it does to dub and i don't think its important to understand the roots of any style to enjoy it.
Whenever this conversation gets brought up no one really gives any reference to Garage/Grime.

Ticks me off tbh

true... true.

fork · Post by **fork** » Fri May 15, 2009 1:50 pm

Godflesh Fiend wrote: Dub is a huge part of Garage & Grime.....i.e the Bass and Drums up front in the mix. So It's a given that Garage/Grime & Dub are a big influence on Dubstep. But to say Garage & Grime is a bigger influence is wrong......regardless if Dubstep did come from Garage & Grime.......simply because DnB, Techno, Garage, Grime, Hip Hop etc all came from Dub.

Yes, Dub influenced all the genres u have listed, but i wouldn't say it was dubsteps biggest influence.

Also...

Godflesh Fiend wrote:I think that the main reason people bring up the Dub thing over Garage/Grime is because the classic Dub records crap all over Garage & Grime records.!

Shatap

deamonds · Post by **deamonds** » Fri May 15, 2009 1:50 pm

no, we dont, we're all ignorant fuck's who found out about dubstep through Fabric 49

deamonds · Post by **deamonds** » Fri May 15, 2009 1:51 pm

Godflesh Fiend wrote:
I think that the main reason people bring up the Dub thing over Garage/Grime is because the classic Dub records crap all over Garage & Grime records.

what a stupid thing to say

egoless · Post by **egoless** » Fri May 15, 2009 4:22 pm

fork46 wrote:Yes, Dub influenced all the genres u have listed, but i wouldn't say it was dubsteps biggest influence.

why is then genre called Dubstep

q23 · Post by **q23** » Fri May 15, 2009 4:50 pm

EGOLESS wrote:
fork46 wrote:Yes, Dub influenced all the genres u have listed, but i wouldn't say it was dubsteps biggest influence.
why is then genre called Dubstep

Dub was originally a reference to an instrumental or non vocal -stripped down- composition of a track that the engineer did for the single that got released where he or she got to get more creative with the actual audio on the tracks due to not having to work with a full "verse verse chorus verse" formatted vocal.

On alot of old records, the instrumental is often times called the dub, or redub

Dub never used to be a term that centered around one genre or type of sound until reggae producers and engineers began experimenting with the tracks in their library that none of the singers had used on their albums and began releasing them on their own albums, after tweaking them with a bit of their own engineering creativity of course.....

egoless · Post by **egoless** » Fri May 15, 2009 5:36 pm

Q23 wrote:Dub never used to be a term that centered around one genre or type of sound until reggae producers and engineers began experimenting with the tracks in their library that none of the singers had used on their albums and began releasing them on their own albums, after tweaking them with a bit of their own engineering creativity of course.....

True that, but after the stoned engineers began experimenting by dubbing reggae, it somehow became a genre of its own. Dub, now bands say they are playing dub, not reggae using dub techniques

adam_misst · Post by **adam_misst** » Fri May 15, 2009 6:00 pm

Bring back the dub in dubstep please.

Littlefoot · Post by **Littlefoot** » Fri May 15, 2009 6:34 pm

dub means instrumental

I dont like any dub minus like 4 songs and I love proper dubstep..

trench · Post by **trench** » Fri May 15, 2009 6:41 pm

Side note... does anyone know of any Jacob Miller dubstep RMX's?

Littlefoot · Post by **Littlefoot** » Fri May 15, 2009 6:53 pm

I find it funny when people dont realise that pretty much all (atleast southern) UK dance music since the early 80s has had a strong soundsystem influence.

If the "dub" comes from anywhere in dubstep, it's probably the decade of Jungle, Speed Garage and new Roots type stuff which has been a staple of the underground.

I find it wierd when people say "dubstep been ruined, there's no dub anymore"

when the dub thing in dubstep didnt happen till like Digital Mystikz et al brought the traditional soundsystem element to the forefront

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