story of brostep

[cityzen]

@ gremino. Yeah that's all well and good, it's just soo stupid when kids think they're the first people/generation to feel a certain feeling/emotion. Older people will always think kids are idiots and younger people will always think no one knows how they feel, generally speaking.
Back on topic, whatever your preferred style of Dubstep is you have to appreciate the stuff you don't like or the stuff you do would never be as good. No dark without light, pleasure/pain, love/hatred blah blah.
I personally would love people to just live with it. If your preferred Dubstep is still being made then you haven't really got anything to moan about. However, I fully understand that this wont happen as people LOVE conflict and, at the same time, want everyone to agree and adhere to their ideals. This is part of the human condition, whatareyougonnado.

Oh well DMZ tomorrow!!!!!

[Omega Dub]

Another thing that I think is overlooked yet astoundingly obvious is the fact that each producer has different goals when creating their music. My impression is that a lot of people that follow this music seem to assume that each producer is trying to create the perfect, definitive dubstep song. Obviously, this is not the case. Some guys to to go for a warm, deep, ambient feel and come up with something great. Others, go for a peak-time D&B kinda feel and also accomplish their goals.

So think now: which of these guys is a better, more talented producer of dubstep? Which is more deserving of attention? You shouldn't even be comparing the two. Just because 2 producers make music at a certain bpm, on a computer, doesn't mean they go for similar results.

What I think needs to happen is that we just forget about the fact that it's all called dubstep, and stop coming up with retarded sub-genre names, and just listen with an open mind.

yes!!!

[fractal]

I only posted that quote because I feel it's pertinent to this thread. Sorry, that wasn't clear at all. It's just the argument of higher/lower pleasures but in Dubstep form ay.

We get that, but who decides what is higher and what is lower in this scenario? imho, that quote applies more to ethics than aesthetics...

[-[2]DAY_-]

deep.... XD =p

[cityzen]

I only posted that quote because I feel it's pertinent to this thread. Sorry, that wasn't clear at all. It's just the argument of higher/lower pleasures but in Dubstep form ay.

We get that, but who decides what is higher and what is lower in this scenario? imho, that quote applies more to ethics than aesthetics...

The so called elitists decided that 'deeper' dubstep is a higher pleasure than 'brostep'. That's why they are called 'elitists'.
You may be right that the quote I used applies more to ethics than aesthetics but i've heard it used in arguments about ballet vs football, Shakespeare vs The Simpsons, Turner vs Banksy, Opera vs Rock. Why not use it in this case?

[fractal]

because its an argument over taste, which never results in anything other than people being divided. the sound is out there, i say let it speak for itself

[cityzen]

because its an argument over taste, which never results in anything other than people being divided. the sound is out there, i say let it speak for itself

We don't disagree.

also its fair to point out that dubstep is not a coin, with only two sides "deep" and "hard"...

more like dubstep is a diamond, with tons of different facets... hard, hype, distorted, wonky, hip hopish, deep, 2stepy, housey, techno influenced, electro house influenced, soca flavored, congo heavy, wobbly, pretty, cheesy, etc... and for me, there is stuff in every facet that I enjoy and that I don't... to pretend that there are only two sides of dubstep is a great disservice to the sound, imho

So much truth there!

[budsteq]

what annoys me is how people get into dubstep via brostep, then they hear the deeper shit (DMZ, Skream etc...) and then jump on the I HATE MIDRAGE bandwagon. I love DMZ, Loefah, Skream...etc.. But I also fucking adore Flux Pavilion. Then I like inbetween stuff, like Tunnidge and the Widdler. it's all good music, and most of it has groove. I generally dislike borgores music. I did enjoy that song Premature Ejaculation, though.

[64hz]

Another thing that I think is overlooked yet astoundingly obvious is the fact that each producer has different goals when creating their music. My impression is that a lot of people that follow this music seem to assume that each producer is trying to create the perfect, definitive dubstep song. Obviously, this is not the case. Some guys to to go for a warm, deep, ambient feel and come up with something great. Others, go for a peak-time D&B kinda feel and also accomplish their goals.

So think now: which of these guys is a better, more talented producer of dubstep? Which is more deserving of attention? You shouldn't even be comparing the two. Just because 2 producers make music at a certain bpm, on a computer, doesn't mean they go for similar results.

What I think needs to happen is that we just forget about the fact that it's all called dubstep, and stop coming up with retarded sub-genre names, and just listen with an open mind.

yes!!!

fit for intended purpose = good

[64hz]

diamondstep ftw

[Omega Dub]

Music is relative, people connect to it or they don't. Your personal taste in music is no better than anyone elses, if it was it wouldn't be called personal taste it's an experience relative to you that you will share with others who have similar tastes. There is no winning or losing though, or better or worse, just different. Take the duality out of it bruv it's unnecessary.

wisdom for the ages

[Majin]

Here you go, Diesel just posted this on his FB, and to me it's just perfect:

I see the word "Dubstep" and to me it means that because the kick and snare are so far apart, that its just fucking awesome to put as much beauty and/or chaos inbetween those beats as you can. Thats what I love and thats what makes me go crazy when i hear it on the dance floor. Fucking Skank Heavy.

[Epicmoose]

To be honest, I was initially hesitant about joining this forum because of the way you guys bash on brostep. But after some contemplation, I've realized that the dubstep I'm most into isn't that typical, mainstream brostep sound, nor is it necessarily that classic deep dubby sound. What I mean by this, is that I recognize why so many people hate on that super filthy, disgusting brostep. It's loud and noisy for the sake of being loud and noisy, and, while that may be fun for a little while, there's really nothing for you to truly appreciate and sink your teeth into. What I do like, however, is some unique, creative, bouncy, robot noises to groove too. By this I refer to classic style Datsik tunes like Gizmo and Apples that play with a funky wobble bass in a tasteful and danceable way, which is much different from those obliteratingly heavy brostep bangers that come out of producers like Skrillex and Borgore.

Agreed. There is a huge difference between these:

Datsik - Gizmo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qvCubK8nz1I

Nero - Blinded by the Lights remix
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6JeISFaSHc

Excision and Downlink - 2005 (Way calmer song by Excision and Downlink, two main "Brostep" culprits.)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9rRGHGMulmA


and this:
Borgore - Guided Relaxation Dub
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5WxZNIpszs

[1017_duck]

I love DMZ, Loefah, Skream...etc.. But I also fucking adore Flux Pavilion.

does not compute

ha kidding..big up hellfire machina and fractal for killing this thread with the grownupedness

[Terminate]

because its an argument over taste, which never results in anything other than people being divided. the sound is out there, i say let it speak for itself

We don't disagree.

also its fair to point out that dubstep is not a coin, with only two sides "deep" and "hard"...

more like dubstep is a diamond, with tons of different facets... hard, hype, distorted, wonky, hip hopish, deep, 2stepy, housey, techno influenced, electro house influenced, soca flavored, congo heavy, wobbly, pretty, cheesy, etc... and for me, there is stuff in every facet that I enjoy and that I don't... to pretend that there are only two sides of dubstep is a great disservice to the sound, imho

So much truth there!

That's what I always liked about dubstep or any genre rather; the variety of the sound yet still somehow make it all fit under one roof. You're bound to hit into tunes that you don't like but if you persevere and search, you'll find good stuff.

But with all the supposed variety we have at our fingertips, people still have yet to change because I find that there's plenty of em out there that are too lazy to make an effort to find good music in a genre that they don't like at first/second impression. And then spend more time arguing with people who could possibly direct them on a good path. I feel that's the bi-product of the internet, unfortunately. More focused on drama then actually getting anything done.

[pkay]

though not the first time it was used, this thread summed up where the ideal of the term 'brostep came from'

http://www.dubstepforum.com/brostep-t108874.html

[nousd]

well that thread got locked dint it...

but rob sparx wrote:
Think about this - I might spend 2-3 weeks writing a deep 12 and get £250-300 for my troubles - thats way below minimum wage so why are you suprised that no-one can be arsed with writing deep? Producers I know who've been writing just bangers for the last few years have got more gigs this month than I've had all year! I mean threads full of compliments are great but they don't pay the fucking rent do they?

and guess who? wrote:

yeah man, fuck making tunes that you like; make tunes that make you money, because that's what underground music is all about kids making money...forget programming a decent synth sound and working for hours on beats and staying true to what you enjoy; just grab massive (off a torrent) load up a fucking square wave and whack an LFO on the cutoff and set it to 1/16t then get some boring half step beat with fuck all swing and then smash the two together whilst you're there maybe grab some generic horror sample or someone saying FUCK (pref Danny Dyer) to place before the drop and robert is your mother's fucking brother $$$$ here I come - if I wanted a career make shit music I might as well open my cheeks for the devil and work in sales cos it pays a lot better and you can get to bed at a reasonable hour.

no dissin' Rob but that's probly why the thread got locked.

[pkay]

i just meant thats the thread where 'brostep' really got popularized on this forum at least

i remember that thread being the brostep breakout party and how it was mad jokes for a few weeks after that thread.... and then for some reason it stuck around

[nousd]

jus saying...
good memory pkay
bro

[pkay]

jus saying...
good memory pkay
bro

bro stocks are down

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