In the words of Duncan Bannatyne..... Im out.

[fractal]

yeah, i'm feeling the same

let's see what others think

[aquemini]

agree - for too difficult to organise

i dont think it would be too difficult for this forum to sort itself out. im sensing a sort of tipping point in mentality...

[Forth+Back]

here here

what do people think of the separate forum idea? i'm with wolf in wondering who decides what goes where... seems like we could exist on the same forum if we really wanted to...

Poll time? Some well thought out options could lead to an interesting insight to what members really would like to see.

Big up yourself Fractal, you seem to be keeping a level and optimistic head round here when some others (especially the ones chasing a big money move to Team Bro ) seem to be getting a bit OTT about things recently.

IMO, just because Plastician is one of the originators of this sound doesn't mean he cannot change what he plays or what he is in to, that's his choice and he is free to do what he wants, but it just comes across a bit as attention seeking that he had to do it so publically. It would have been nice if he at least discussed some of the points here before he bowed out, for the most part it has been reasonably civil and some good points have been raised.

[robbiej]

yeah, i'm feeling the same

let's see what others think

how hard is to just not click on threads that dont interest you?....at the very least, if youre into that bro sound and you come the general discussion board, you might just find out thats theres more to dubstep than bro and vice versa. whether we like it or not, it all falls under the dubstep umbrella.

[Phigure]

yeah, i'm feeling the same

let's see what others think

it's a completely impractical idea.

[collige]

here here

what do people think of the separate forum idea? i'm with wolf in wondering who decides what goes where... seems like we could exist on the same forum if we really wanted to...

Absolutely not. What happened to the whole "no subgenres" thing?

[garethom]

I don't think making a separate forum for "brostep" would make much difference to be honest. The majority of people that start the threads causing friction on the board seem to be entirely new to dubstep, so possibly wouldn't know that the music they're listening to is referred to as brostep.

Maybe brostep has split completely from "true" dubstep as it were. There's a reason this isn't UK Garage Forum. I dunno, I'm not articulating my point very well haha, but I think it's so far removed now. As somebody else said (possibly in another thread) some people are calling anything with wobbles dubstep now, even if it's at 120 etc, loads of more metally sounds. I'm not looking for an argument, brostep has some elements of dubstep, but dubstep has some elements of UKG, and as I said, there's a reason we aren't talking about this on UKGforum.

[mikey-bizzle-09]

I think it's time to call it a day on here.

I could sit here and write an essay detailing how obnoxious and elitist most of the posts on here are but I'm just going to keep it short and sweet.

I like the idea of a forum being a place for open opinion and discussion on topics but over the last couple of years as the sound has gained a much broader audience, it's turned more into a place for people to jump on something and attack it like a pack of wolves. It's people like this trying to close the door on newcomers that I don't agree with.

For those who don't remember, this is exactly what happened to uk garage when everything started getting darker and then when the grime hit em, the ukg heads were up in arms trying to defend their scene and keep it to themselves, not welcoming others into "the circle of trust".

A lot of us gave up on garage to do our own thing. From there we started making grime and dubstep. Look where ukg went after that. You lot are all heading in the same direction now.

I can't be dealing with dragging myself on here any more. It's not even much use to promote anything anymore because 90% of the users only post in topics that give them an opportunity to slag something off. If they aren't posting in them, they're certainly reading them.

It's all a bit negative for me. I know it's no big deal that I'm calling it a day on the forum but I'm just offering you all a word of warning that you're closing the doors on a scene which is actually far bigger than the forum. By closing the doors on the youth coming through you're alienating the root sound of the scene and you will be the death of the traditional sound the way you're going.

Just my 2 cents worth. I hope you all learn to chill out a bit and focus your energy into more positive channels than moaning about stuff or slagging people off.

It's been a roller coaster on here but it's time I got off I think.

Large up

Don't think i have ever agreed more with a post on this forum! Well said

[badger]

how hard is to just not click on threads that dont interest you?....at the very least, if youre into that bro sound and you come the general discussion board, you might just find out thats theres more to dubstep than bro and vice versa. whether we like it or not, it all falls under the dubstep umbrella.

exactly

even if it were possible then a split along brostep/everything else would be very divisive. it's been discussed before and as tempting as it may be to wall off the music you like in a sub forum that you never have to see, it isn't going to do anything positive for the vibes on the forum. and that's even if you're expecting all of that kind of music to end up in that forum because it quite clearly won't. the vast majority of problems are caused by people signing up the forum and posting immediately without reading around and getting a feel for the place (so it's nice to see in previous pages that some people do take some time and do this before posting) - and then they post something stupid and get flamed, and flame back at the flamers, and leave etc - and these people will just post in the first forum that they see. as with everything on here that's going wrong atm it comes down to showing a bit of respect to the forum and the posters here; and that goes for people on all sides of the argument

[ultraspatial]

yeah, i'm feeling the same

let's see what others think

it's a completely impractical idea.

this

what do you do with good tearout, like chasing shadows and other hench stuff, subscape, emalkay and so on? or artists that suddenly switched styles? this would also mean separating the "how can i make dat skrillex ruffneck bass?" threads from the production forum. it just seems like a lot of work for nothing...

[wilson]

Just gonna come in to say that a sub-forum for brostep is a very slippery slope. Avoid.

[leyenda]

Artificial divides never solve anything. Just look at the Berlin wall, one of the 20th Century's great mistakes.

[hutyluty]

Artificial divides never solve anything. Just look at the Berlin wall, one of the 20th Century's great mistakes.

this is indeed a very similar situation

[Devry_Kaneda]

A novel solution:

Refrain from posting in threads where the music doesn't tickle your fancy!

[SloppySeconds]

name original dubstep raggage like it was first intented loool

[brasco]

how hard is to just not click on threads that dont interest you?....at the very least, if youre into that bro sound and you come the general discussion board, you might just find out thats theres more to dubstep than bro and vice versa. whether we like it or not, it all falls under the dubstep umbrella.

exactly

even if it were possible then a split along brostep/everything else would be very divisive. it's been discussed before and as tempting as it may be to wall off the music you like in a sub forum that you never have to see, it isn't going to do anything positive for the vibes on the forum. and that's even if you're expecting all of that kind of music to end up in that forum because it quite clearly won't. the vast majority of problems are caused by people signing up the forum and posting immediately without reading around and getting a feel for the place (so it's nice to see in previous pages that some people do take some time and do this before posting) - and then they post something stupid and get flamed, and flame back at the flamers, and leave etc - and these people will just post in the first forum that they see. as with everything on here that's going wrong atm it comes down to showing a bit of respect to the forum and the posters here; and that goes for people on all sides of the argument

maybe specific artist threads then (eg the youngsta thread). at least then all, for example, skrillex stuff could be contained in one place, the fans can share what they want whilst anyone who is not interested avoids. multiple threads only help to cause problems.

also to tidy up general dis, and even some of the other forums, there needs to be better control of threads. people post a whole load of shit/spam/events/radio etc in the main forum, which isnt the right place for it... again getting these dealt with or moved quickly will reduce trolls. alot of the SNH crew avoid General discussion NOT because of trolling, or this 'wolfpack' gang, but rather because it is usually full of waste threads

some threads will always be mainly negative, like the DMA's, Korn as 2 recent examples, but if its the general consensus what can you do

[Electric_Head]

maybe specific artist threads then (eg the youngsta thread). at least then all, for example, skrillex stuff could be contained in one place, the fans can share what they want whilst anyone who is not interested avoids. multiple threads only help to cause problems.

great idea

[joeki]

I'm going to stick out my neck and say, why not divide the forum? Look at the how well it is working in the House section...
Apparently , the music that gets attention over there is different enough from the stuff that gets posted in the music/general discussion section (granted, 50% of the releases announced in House also get some sort of mention in the regular music section).
But the House board is generally well fucking behaved and to the point. Bare essence and nobody picking on anybody.

Why wouldn't this work if you divide between the two styles? I know a lot of people don't like dividing things up into little boxes. But a general sort of divide would work and let's face it, the amount of people that don't see the divide are diminishing. It's not like asking someone to pick sides by the way: this still could mean posting twilight stuff, like Flux, Chasing Shadows, or anything remotely that is both bass heavy and tear-out (hench label...) in both forums. Though I agree, it would be very difficult to police this. Where does one draw the line? I'd draw the line very far for example, whilst others still consider a lot of tear-out to be dubstep.

Standards are different for everybody. But I think all of us can reach a sort of middle ground. It's extremes like Doctor P, Skrillex and some other UKF shizzle that seem to spark the debate. Those are easily distinguishable artists. On the other hand, old school and dark half step stuff (apparently now called "dungeon" LOL haha and people complain about boxes) are much easier to police and appoint to the right forum....

I could live with a divide to be honest. House forum is working fine and I consider a lot of the stuff there to be more related to traditional dubstep than a lot of the brogore.

But that's just my opinion...and it certainly isn't a demand...I just see less problems with it than some others...

[LA_Boxers]

On the other hand, old school and dark half step stuff (apparently now called "dungeon" LOL haha and people complain about boxes)

I could live with a divide to be honest. House forum is working fine and I consider a lot of the stuff there to be more related to traditional dubstep than a lot of the brogore.

Liking the brogore!!

[Refuzed]

the house section is split because house is a completely different genre. dubstep and brostep are the same genre. splitting the forum aint gonna work, whose gonna decide which is which if its a cross between.

this is supposed to be a dubstep forum, meaning it should cater for all dubstep tastes, wether its tearout, bro, deep etcetc.

itsl ike DNB, liquid & jumpup, its still dnb, just not all are gonna have the same fans.

this is all getting ridiculous