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Post by wub » Mon May 27, 2013 11:55 am

This is now doing the rounds on Facebook;
A German's View on Islam - worth reading. This is by far the best explanation of the Muslim terrorist situation I have ever read. His references to past history are accurate and clear. Not long, easy to understand, and well worth the read. The author of this email is Dr. Emanuel Tanya, a well-known and well-respected psychiatrist.

A man, whose family was German aristocracy prior to World War II, owned a number of large industries and estates. When asked how many German people were true sizan, the answer he gave can guide our attitude toward fanaticism.

'Very few people were true sizan,' he said, 'but many enjoyed the return of German pride, and many more were too busy to care. I was one of those who just thought the sizan were a bunch of fools. So, the majority just sat back and let it all happen. Then, before we knew it, they owned us, and we had lost control, and the end of the world had come.

My family lost everything. I ended up in a concentration camp and the Allies destroyed my factories.'

We are told again and again by 'experts' and 'talking heads' that Islam is the religion of peace and that the vast majority of Muslims just want to live in peace. Although this unqualified assertion may be true, it is entirely irrelevant. It is meaningless fluff, meant to make us feel better, and meant to somehow diminish the spectre of fanatics rampaging across the globe in the name of Islam.

The fact is that the fanatics rule Islam at this moment in history. It is the fanatics who march. It is the fanatics who wage any one of 50 shooting wars worldwide. It is the fanatics who systematically slaughter Christian or tribal groups throughout Africa and are gradually taking over the entire continent in an Islamic wave. It is the fanatics who bomb, behead, murder, or honour-kill. It is the fanatics who take over mosque after mosque. It is the fanatics who zealously spread the stoning and hanging of rape victims and homosexuals. It is the fanatics who teach their young to kill and to become suicide bombers.

The hard, quantifiable fact is that the peaceful majority, the 'silent majority,' is cowed and extraneous. Communist Russia was comprised of Russians who just wanted to live in peace, yet the Russian Communists were responsible for the murder of about 20 million people. The peaceful majority were irrelevant. China's huge population was peaceful as well, but Chinese Communists managed to kill a staggering 70 million people..

The average Japanese individual prior to World War II was not a warmongering sadist. Yet, Japan murdered and slaughtered its way across South East Asia in an orgy of killing that included the systematic murder of 12 million Chinese civilians; most killed by sword, shovel, and bayonet. And who can forget Rwanda, which collapsed into butchery. Could it not be said that the majority of Rwandans were 'peace loving'?

History lessons are often incredibly simple and blunt, yet for all our powers of reason, we often miss the most basic and uncomplicated of points: peace-loving Muslims have been made irrelevant by their silence. Peace-loving Muslims will become our enemy if they don't speak up, because like my friend from Germany, they will awaken one day and find that the fanatics own them, and the end of their world will have begun.

Peace-loving Germans, Japanese, Chinese, Russians, Rwandans, Serbs, Afghans, Iraqis, Palestinians, Somalis, Nigerians, Algerians, and many others have died because the peaceful majority did not speak up until it was too late.

Now Islamic prayers have been introduced into Toronto and other public schools in Ontario, and, yes, in Ottawa too while the Lord's Prayer was removed (due to being so offensive?) The Islamic way may be peaceful for the time being in our country until the fanatics move in.

In Australia, and indeed in many countries around the world, many of the most commonly consumed food items have the halal emblem on them. Just look at the back of some of the most popular chocolate bars, and at other food items in your local supermarket. Food on aircraft have the halal emblem, just to appease the privileged minority who are now rapidly expanding within the nation’s shores.

In the U.K, the Muslim communities refuse to integrate and there are now dozens of “no-go” zones within major cities across the country that the police force dare not intrude upon. Sharia law prevails there, because the Muslim community in those areas refuse to acknowledge British law.

As for us who watch it all unfold, we must pay attention to the only group that counts -- the fanatics who threaten our way of life.

Lastly, anyone who doubts that the issue is serious and just deletes this email without sending it on, is contributing to the passiveness that allows the problems to expand. So, extend yourself a bit and send this on and on and on! Let us hope that thousands, world-wide, read this and think about it, and send it on - before it's too late.
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Post by EliteLennon117 » Mon May 27, 2013 1:14 pm

Is the majority of Britain islamophobic? Or is this just some vocal far-right minority basking in the ignorance of people.
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Post by Mason » Mon May 27, 2013 1:20 pm

definitely a minority, also lol at that thread the other day saying brits were most racially tolerant.
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Post by nousd » Mon May 27, 2013 1:54 pm

It's homeland security's fault for not having a crystal ball.
Why don't they just lock up every religious zealot & crack-smoking minor criminal then nothing bad will happen.
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Post by hugh » Mon May 27, 2013 4:56 pm

wub wrote:This is now doing the rounds on Facebook;
A German's View on Islam - worth reading. This is by far the best explanation of the Muslim terrorist situation I have ever read. His references to past history are accurate and clear. Not long, easy to understand, and well worth the read. The author of this email is Dr. Emanuel Tanya, a well-known and well-respected psychiatrist.

A man, whose family was German aristocracy prior to World War II, owned a number of large industries and estates. When asked how many German people were true sizan, the answer he gave can guide our attitude toward fanaticism.

'Very few people were true sizan,' he said, 'but many enjoyed the return of German pride, and many more were too busy to care. I was one of those who just thought the sizan were a bunch of fools. So, the majority just sat back and let it all happen. Then, before we knew it, they owned us, and we had lost control, and the end of the world had come.

My family lost everything. I ended up in a concentration camp and the Allies destroyed my factories.'

We are told again and again by 'experts' and 'talking heads' that Islam is the religion of peace and that the vast majority of Muslims just want to live in peace. Although this unqualified assertion may be true, it is entirely irrelevant. It is meaningless fluff, meant to make us feel better, and meant to somehow diminish the spectre of fanatics rampaging across the globe in the name of Islam.

The fact is that the fanatics rule Islam at this moment in history. It is the fanatics who march. It is the fanatics who wage any one of 50 shooting wars worldwide. It is the fanatics who systematically slaughter Christian or tribal groups throughout Africa and are gradually taking over the entire continent in an Islamic wave. It is the fanatics who bomb, behead, murder, or honour-kill. It is the fanatics who take over mosque after mosque. It is the fanatics who zealously spread the stoning and hanging of rape victims and homosexuals. It is the fanatics who teach their young to kill and to become suicide bombers.

The hard, quantifiable fact is that the peaceful majority, the 'silent majority,' is cowed and extraneous. Communist Russia was comprised of Russians who just wanted to live in peace, yet the Russian Communists were responsible for the murder of about 20 million people. The peaceful majority were irrelevant. China's huge population was peaceful as well, but Chinese Communists managed to kill a staggering 70 million people..

The average Japanese individual prior to World War II was not a warmongering sadist. Yet, Japan murdered and slaughtered its way across South East Asia in an orgy of killing that included the systematic murder of 12 million Chinese civilians; most killed by sword, shovel, and bayonet. And who can forget Rwanda, which collapsed into butchery. Could it not be said that the majority of Rwandans were 'peace loving'?

History lessons are often incredibly simple and blunt, yet for all our powers of reason, we often miss the most basic and uncomplicated of points: peace-loving Muslims have been made irrelevant by their silence. Peace-loving Muslims will become our enemy if they don't speak up, because like my friend from Germany, they will awaken one day and find that the fanatics own them, and the end of their world will have begun.

Peace-loving Germans, Japanese, Chinese, Russians, Rwandans, Serbs, Afghans, Iraqis, Palestinians, Somalis, Nigerians, Algerians, and many others have died because the peaceful majority did not speak up until it was too late.

Now Islamic prayers have been introduced into Toronto and other public schools in Ontario, and, yes, in Ottawa too while the Lord's Prayer was removed (due to being so offensive?) The Islamic way may be peaceful for the time being in our country until the fanatics move in.

In Australia, and indeed in many countries around the world, many of the most commonly consumed food items have the halal emblem on them. Just look at the back of some of the most popular chocolate bars, and at other food items in your local supermarket. Food on aircraft have the halal emblem, just to appease the privileged minority who are now rapidly expanding within the nation’s shores.

In the U.K, the Muslim communities refuse to integrate and there are now dozens of “no-go” zones within major cities across the country that the police force dare not intrude upon. Sharia law prevails there, because the Muslim community in those areas refuse to acknowledge British law.

As for us who watch it all unfold, we must pay attention to the only group that counts -- the fanatics who threaten our way of life.

Lastly, anyone who doubts that the issue is serious and just deletes this email without sending it on, is contributing to the passiveness that allows the problems to expand. So, extend yourself a bit and send this on and on and on! Let us hope that thousands, world-wide, read this and think about it, and send it on - before it's too late.
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Post by hugh » Mon May 27, 2013 5:00 pm

EliteLennon117 wrote:Is the majority of Britain islamophobic? Or is this just some vocal far-right minority basking in the ignorance of people.
Definitely the bolded part. I don't have a single anti-islamic post in my facebook feed from the past week. I'm seeing a few of my contacts post that they are annoyed at people that they know for being racist on their facebook (e.g. "Can't believe some of the stuff some of my supposed friends have been saying on facebook...." etc) but to be honest this whole thing has been going on for years now and I find the whole thing rather tedious. This lame as fuck back and forth between ignorant people and slightly less ignorant people blah blah fuck it.

I'm going to live on the moon and enjoy a diet of pure moon cheese for the rest of my life so I can get away from all this bullshit.
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Post by wub » Tue May 28, 2013 5:41 am


As if the EDL had any credibility with the "we're not racists, honest" mentality.

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Post by d-T-r » Tue May 28, 2013 9:05 am

Does anyone know if topics like Racism and nationalism are covered in secondary school at all these days?

That's the only thing i can think of that could potentially release the growing younger generation from inheriting this ignorant racism,blind patriotism and nationalism that keeps getting passed on.
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Post by magma » Tue May 28, 2013 10:05 am

d-T-r wrote:Does anyone know if topics like Racism and nationalism are covered in secondary school at all these days?

That's the only thing i can think of that could potentially release the growing younger generation from inheriting this ignorant racism,blind patriotism and nationalism that keeps getting passed on.
Plenty. That's why the section of society acting this way has shrunk with every generation of the last 200 years.

It's just that the Internet makes them seem slightly louder nowadays. It's not like Stephen Lawrence just got murdered again. The world isn't going to hell.
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Post by d-T-r » Tue May 28, 2013 10:46 am

I agree with you that bad news seems to travel faster and further than good news, but it's clear that there does need to be more of a push on racial and religious tolerance. I guess in terms of proportion, things have gotten 'better over the past 200 years, but it's clear there's still a massive portion that need some extra schooling. things might be 'better' in some respects, but they're also escalating in new directions influened by a new set of 'goal posts' and modern day circumstances.

Remember when there was that ' Atheist Bus Campaign ' a couple years ago? It would be cool to see something like that happen again, bur rather than touch upon faith/atheism , touch upon racial equality and tolerance.

If they can do it for atheism, i'm sure it could be done for racial issues.

Surely it's in our best interest and also our responsibility to start advocating and promoting as much or more equality than the amount of xenophobic hate that's being currently expressed by the 'far right' and the ignorant..

I'm sure that in time, if/when things get worse, there will at least be some grass-roots movements to try and bring a bit more of an objective /neutral /tolerant perspective to it all.


Russell Brand's thoughts on it all;

http://darkernet.in/russell-brand-and-t ... ch-murder/
What the English Defence League and other angry, confused people are doing and advocating now, violence against mosques, Muslims, proliferation of hateful rhetoric is exactly what that poor, sick, murderous man, blood soaked on a peaceful street, was hoping for in his desperate, muddled mind.

"The extremists on both sides have a shared agenda; cause division, distrust, anger and violence. Both sides have the same intention. We cannot allow them to distort our perception.

The establishment too is relatively happy when different groups of desperate people point the finger at each other because it prevents blame being correctly directed at them. Whenever we are looking for the solution to a problem we must identify who has power. By power I mean influence and money. The answer is not for us to move further from one another, crouched in opposing fortresses constructed from vindictive words. We need now to move closer to one another, to understand one another. If we can take anything heartening from this dreadful attack it is of course the actions of the three women, it’s always women, that boldly guarded Lee Rigby’s body as he lay needlessly murdered. These women looked beyond the fear and chaos and desperation and attuned instead to a higher code. One of virtue, integrity and strength.

To truly demonstrate defiance in the face of this sad violence, we must be loving and compassionate to one another. Let’s look beyond our superficial and fleeting differences. The murderers want angry patriots to desecrate mosques and perpetuate violence. How futile their actions seem if we instead leave flowers at each other’s places of worship. Let’s reach out in the spirit of love and humanity and connect to one another, perhaps we will then see what is really behind this conflict, this division, this hatred and make that our focus."
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Post by Richard Ross » Tue May 28, 2013 12:56 pm

EliteLennon117 wrote:Is the majority of Britain islamophobic? Or is this just some vocal far-right minority basking in the ignorance of people.
A lot of British people are torn between their need to love immigrants and their hatred of the sexism, homophobia and commercial hip hop espoused by the average pakistani teenager.

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Post by Richard Ross » Tue May 28, 2013 12:58 pm

There's also a lot of British people who haven't realised all the 'Pakistanis' they met were actually Indian and that's why they think they're not racist.

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