United States Presidential Election 2012

[P Daley]

yeah what about me? i pay taxes, but i can't vote because i'm not a citizen. am i permitted to discuss politics, mr deadly?

you can discuss it as much as anyone else you just cant vote, so quit bitching if you dont get your way
you choose to live here and its the same as me ideally moving to germany i can't vote but i want to live there
im not a citizen
what the country does is there choice, if i dont like it i can move
dont say i pay taxes, thats your choice of living here same with any country
you're not a citizen, so dont bitch about citizens choices
if you had a green card etc or naturalized you could vote, im sorry if it's dickish, but you know the usa process

you cant vote with a greencard

i should know, i have one

You can vote in local elections which are just as important. You have to be naturalized to vote for president.

[deadly_habit]

this is why i don't want people who dont know the simple process voting
i'm so for what happens

you can't say it's not inspirational seeing arnold like this

[magma]

However you lot (Well, Deadly Habit) might feel domestically about your economy, Obama has given you a more solid recovery than almost any other world leader has managed (outside possibly Germany - but they're going to take a hit in the next year or so because of Greece, Spain, Portugal and Italy). I wish we were in your position right now instead of heading back to a double dip... our 'recovery' effort, along with most of Europe has been utterly botched because of misguided beliefs in the Free Market. We're essentially being governed by the IMF - Obama has given the US just enough space to invest in its own recovery at the same time as just about keeping the markets happy. Stick with it. You'd be mental to stop now and join the rest of us on the Double Dip highway.

Recovery is slow. Don't get impatient. This isn't something that anyone can fix over one term, whoever follows Obama/Romney/Paul will still be working on it... and maybe whoever follows them, too.

[Today]

this so much
i almost think it should be a mandatory 8 year term instead of 4. If we change administrations right now, 4 years into a recession it's just going to get a whole lot worse. too much division to accomplish anything these days, we need to focus on a course of action

[Genevieve]

"what Marx and later writers have done is to lump together two extremely different and even contradictory concepts and actions under the same portmanteau term. These two contradictory concepts are what I would call 'free-market capitalism' on the one hand, and 'state capitalism' on the other."

Republicans are anti-free market. Regardless of what their mantra implies.

[wormcode]

They are now debating whether or not to make people pass a test in order to be able to vote. I'm all for that (within reason, depending on 'test').

I don't pay taxes either because I don't agree with how they're abused. I just send them letters explaining I donated the money instead of give it to them to waste.

[deadly_habit]

However you lot (Well, Deadly Habit) might feel domestically about your economy, Obama has given you a more solid recovery than almost any other world leader has managed (outside possibly Germany - but they're going to take a hit in the next year or so because of Greece, Spain, Portugal and Italy). I wish we were in your position right now instead of heading back to a double dip... our 'recovery' effort, along with most of Europe has been utterly botched because of misguided beliefs in the Free Market. We're essentially being governed by the IMF - Obama has given the US just enough space to invest in its own recovery at the same time as just about keeping the markets happy. Stick with it. You'd be mental to stop now and join the rest of us on the Double Dip highway.

Recovery is slow. Don't get impatient. This isn't something that anyone can fix over one term, whoever follows Obama/Romney/Paul will still be working on it... and maybe whoever follows them, too.

You're joking right, this administration has continued Bush's tax cuts and bought up bad debt from private industries that should have been left to fail, meanwhile the people affected by these companies that got bailed out were left screwed over and foreclosed on. He's continued the same wars and despite the thoughts on us "leaving" iraq, we very much still have troops there and expenses, and he's guaranteed the same thing for Afghanistan. None of the candidates but Paul actually want to scale back on military spending and our foreign involvement financially. Obama has just been more of the same that Bush was, and Romney is just a white Obama.

[wobbles]

Basically

[fractal]

nah

[deadly_habit]

no i'm essentially saying talk to your parents if you care, if your old enough to vote and you dont, but bitch shut the fuck up
kids have their parents idea of the world if they work i wish they could vote
if their parents pay for them in the world well then they have no reason to vote
im sorry teens know little of the world
send em to war or work and then let em vote

I've been working and paying taxes since I was 14, and I'm now 17. Can't vote, but I can still be involved politically. I regularly debate politics with teachers, neighbors, etc. I've written multiple political essays and I stay updated and know my shit. Should I shut the fuck up? I'm not saying your being an asshole, because I really do get where you're coming from, but generalizing people over age is quite ignorant.

hey when i was a teenager i actively campaigned and went door to door, actually partook in the process, everything but voted.
teens seriously know little about the world, they're not heads of households, they're not paying the bills, they may work a part time job that pays a wee bit of taxes. odds are their parents are paying for everything and their view on politics is formed from what their parents and school teachers tell them, but very little independent thought.

[Genevieve]

Obama talks like a socialist, so he MUST be for the people.

Just like Bush, he talked like a capitalist so he MUST be for the people!

Their actions are identical. Obama signed NDAA, which was composed by John McCain, who he ran against. HE KILLED A 16 YEAR OLD AMERICAN KID PER DRONESTRIKE.. I Just give up, never mind.... it gives me such a headache that people are so willing to look the other way for the Democrat.. it's disgusting and so many of you should be ashamed of yourselves. "YEAH BUT THAT OTHER GUY WOULD BE WOO" Obama has been worse than Bush "YEAH WELL, IF WE'D VOTE ROMNEY IT'D BE WORSE THAN OBAMA." No, you don't get it. Neither Obama OR Romney care about any of you or brown people in the Middle East. They're the same and vote the same on everything, they just use lingo that speaks to other people. Neither is the 'lesser of two evils', they're both disgusting.

Who gets the most corporate funding of any candidate in 2008? Or 201 for that matter? Goldman-Sachs and whatnot? Obama. WHY would they invest in HIM if he was gonnna "level the playing field" for the small guys? Why? WHY do the big corporations who fund the shit out of him do it for their own demise? Give me a straight LOGICAL answer that doens't try to spin it into bullshit.

[deadly_habit]

oh yeah and is pkay gonna pay that $1000 bet? cause paul has more delegates than gingrich and santorum

https://rt.com/usa/news/obama-democrati ... -even-035/ heh obama almost lost the dem primaries in some states
https://rt.com/usa/news/obama-trade-wyden-senator-117/ his own party is turning on him
https://rt.com/usa/news/israel-obama-iran-nuclear-131/ oh and israel just took back that promise to not attack iran before the elections

[Genevieve]

oh yeah and is pkay gonna pay that $1000 bet? cause paul has more delegates than gingrich and santorum

Ehh, they're both out of the race, I'm not too impressed with that. Fuck Jesse Benton too, while we're at it.

[deadly_habit]

hey a bets a bet and paul is in it for the long haul

reading this entire thread got some chuckles from me. like pkay assuming those who were for Paul didn't change their voter registration to republican to vote just for him in the primaries (god knows i did and my buds did as well)
that and relying on straw poll data before the actual delegate counts came out. if there is one thing Paul's supporters are well versed in, it's the actual process of the republican nomination not just being straw polls and they've been sweeping up delegates by using the party's own rules.
the media has loved to call it a coup and try to disenfranchise people to thinking it's some diabolical scheme when in reality it's people actually sticking through the entire process and not just being ignorant of it.
the lovely part is that even if it doesn't end up a brokered convention is that paul supporters will have a big say on the republican platform and to who will be the VP nominee.

oh and that assumption that if Paul doesn't get the nomination those votes will be going to Obama is very misleading as most supporters have stated they'll write in Paul or vote for Gary Johnson.

[tyger]

you cant vote with a greencard

i should know, i have one

but you can become a governer?
arnold is a worldwide example on what you can and can't do
tell me how someone who can't vote and has a green card becomes the governor of cali?

arnold is a naturalized citizen of the USA. ask your parents to explain it. and shut the fuck up

[hdechter]

you cant vote with a greencard

i should know, i have one

but you can become a governer?
arnold is a worldwide example on what you can and can't do
tell me how someone who can't vote and has a green card becomes the governor of cali?

arnold is a naturalized citizen of the USA. ask your parents to explain it. and shut the fuck up

[deadly_habit]

you cant vote with a greencard

i should know, i have one

but you can become a governer?
arnold is a worldwide example on what you can and can't do
tell me how someone who can't vote and has a green card becomes the governor of cali?

arnold is a naturalized citizen of the USA. ask your parents to explain it. and shut the fuck up

exactly and naturalized citizens can vote, and partake in the process, people with green cards can't, explain that to phigure

[Phigure]

you cant vote with a greencard

i should know, i have one

but you can become a governer?
arnold is a worldwide example on what you can and can't do
tell me how someone who can't vote and has a green card becomes the governor of cali?

arnold is a naturalized citizen of the USA. ask your parents to explain it. and shut the fuck up

exactly and naturalized citizens can vote, and partake in the process, people with green cards can't, explain that to phigure

i'm not interested in becoming naturalized just so i can vote. i know in america you guys like to believe ~~YOUR VOTE MATTERS!~~, but let's be honest. it's still just one fucking vote out of more than a hundred million, and america isn't a democracy anymore anyways, it's a full blown plutocracy. why does my ability (or lack thereof) to cast a meaningless vote decide whether or not i'm allowed to give my opinion on something that's very much relevant to my life?

i wouldn't mind taking part in the "process", i just strongly feel that the "official process" has been effectively hijacked. that doesn't stop me from getting involved in other ways though

[deadly_habit]

everyone has the right to voice their opinion, but like i said if you don't partake in the process don't bitch about it, just shut the fuck up about it.
and you're absolutely right that there is more than just a simple vote to the whole process, it's why i'm glad that people who actually follow the whole process rather than just casting a vote in a straw poll don't decide the actual outcome. the system is built so that the ignorant who don't follow through the whole process vote doesn't matter, which frankly i'm ok with because if people actually cared they'd follow it through via all the steps and stages.
they also would partake in more than just federal elections during presidential election years.

[tyger]

so ... how does one voice an opinion, and at the same time shut the fuck up? ... please answer this question, but don't post anything.