Visualizing Ten Dimensions (String Theory)

[faust.dtc]

Am I a bad person for thinking 'Can I help you Bokator?'

[DRTY]

am i a bad person for having thoughts such as,

"if i ever met this 'alien pimp' in person, i would automatically hit him in the face. regardless if he was 4x bigger than me, and i knew i was going to get a horrible ass beating from him afterwards, i would still do it, just because i know it would feel REALLY good to punch him in the face one time.....", ?


does this make me a bad person?

I get the feeling alot also, I'd imagine quite a few people do tbh. But I do my best to remain civilized.

[ahier]

on a slightly unrelated point, this visualisation of th 4th dimension as an "undulating snake" kind of reminds me of that bit in donnie darko where the blobs come out of peoples' chest, obviously a bit of a bait film in places but quite a cool imagining of how it could work.

pimp, tbh im not sure i can quite get my head round all of this, everything i have said is just my attempt to so im gna let other people chat about it for a bit, thanks for your level response though and im sure as i think about this whole thing more it will be useful in my understanding of this all!

[faust.dtc]

Real men smoke cigars:

[hugh]

This thread had the potential to be interesting if it wasn't for the 10 pages of complete shit.
Time exists alien pimp, it's one of the few things we can prove. It has been shown to work in a constant way with constant effects. Even if everything we are perceiving is in fact "not real", we are still perceiving it. All of us - maybe some in a different way to due psychological reasons, but the real and physical effect of time is always a constant, measureable thing. Just because we don't understand how the future works it doesn't mean we aren't part of a present, moving towards a future.
The chaos of time is of course very interesting, we can never say for sure what will happen in the next quantifiable amount of time, or where it will lead us.
If you don't believe in time, then you must believe you are some kind of imagination floating in a jar or something. Either way it doesn't matter, you aren't experiencing life in a jar, you are experiencing just as everyone else is.
I find it's usually only the most narcissistic self involved people that believe in these jar theories. Step outside and you see the world is very real, the joy, the pain, the suffering. Its all real mate, get used to it and start living your life and enjoying it instead of wasting your time arguing a moot point with random strangers on the internet who will never agree with you anyway.

[alien pimp]

am i a bad person for having thoughts such as,

"if i ever met this 'alien pimp' in person, i would automatically hit him in the face. regardless if he was 4x bigger than me, and i knew i was going to get a horrible ass beating from him afterwards, i would still do it, just because i know it would feel REALLY good to punch him in the face one time.....", ?


does this make me a bad person?

don't worry, i'll be saved by the bell in your world

[elibomyekip]

I just ate 24 out of date scotch eggs, is this bad?

[alien pimp]

This thread had the potential to be interesting if it wasn't for the 10 pages of complete shit.
Time exists alien pimp, it's one of the few things we can prove. It has been shown to work in a constant way with constant effects. Even if everything we are perceiving is in fact "not real", we are still perceiving it. All of us - maybe some in a different way to due psychological reasons, but the real and physical effect of time is always a constant, measureable thing. Just because we don't understand how the future works it doesn't mean we aren't part of a present, moving towards a future.
The chaos of time is of course very interesting, we can never say for sure what will happen in the next quantifiable amount of time, or where it will lead us.
If you don't believe in time, then you must believe you are some kind of imagination floating in a jar or something. Either way it doesn't matter, you aren't experiencing life in a jar, you are experiencing just as everyone else is.
I find it's usually only the most narcissistic self involved people that believe in these jar theories. Step outside and you see the world is very real, the joy, the pain, the suffering. Its all real mate, get used to it and start living your life and enjoying it instead of wasting your time arguing a moot point with random strangers on the internet who will never agree with you anyway.

so many words and nobody can point where does exist the past when it's not existing here anymore, so i can draw my fucking points

i mean if time exists, past exists, future exists... let's admit they have no spatial dimensions attached like the present (which's a frame that tends to 0 as duratio), but whatever other dimensions attached, how do they exists and what proves that they do?

and gravity affects maybe just our perception of time and some measurements tools, but how can gravity affect the past if the past doesn't exist anymore here (by definition)

also, what happens with my spatial dimensions when i become past, if the past can't be located in space?

[alien pimp]

on a slightly unrelated point, this visualisation of th 4th dimension as an "undulating snake" kind of reminds me of that bit in donnie darko where the blobs come out of peoples' chest, obviously a bit of a bait film in places but quite a cool imagining of how it could work.

pimp, tbh im not sure i can quite get my head round all of this, everything i have said is just my attempt to so im gna let other people chat about it for a bit, thanks for your level response though and im sure as i think about this whole thing more it will be useful in my understanding of this all!

you're a fine gentleman after all, it's been a pleasure and that's how our dialogues will continue hopefully
too bad i can't say that more often

[alien pimp]

am i a bad person for having thoughts such as,

"if i ever met this 'alien pimp' in person, i would automatically hit him in the face. regardless if he was 4x bigger than me, and i knew i was going to get a horrible ass beating from him afterwards, i would still do it, just because i know it would feel REALLY good to punch him in the face one time.....", ?


does this make me a bad person?

here you're bad only if you say the truth about some whining hypocrite pussies, which is not your case , so you're good, just dumb

[ahier]

This thread had the potential to be interesting if it wasn't for the 10 pages of complete shit.
Time exists alien pimp, it's one of the few things we can prove. It has been shown to work in a constant way with constant effects. Even if everything we are perceiving is in fact "not real", we are still perceiving it. All of us - maybe some in a different way to due psychological reasons, but the real and physical effect of time is always a constant, measureable thing. Just because we don't understand how the future works it doesn't mean we aren't part of a present, moving towards a future.
The chaos of time is of course very interesting, we can never say for sure what will happen in the next quantifiable amount of time, or where it will lead us.
If you don't believe in time, then you must believe you are some kind of imagination floating in a jar or something. Either way it doesn't matter, you aren't experiencing life in a jar, you are experiencing just as everyone else is.
I find it's usually only the most narcissistic self involved people that believe in these jar theories. Step outside and you see the world is very real, the joy, the pain, the suffering. Its all real mate, get used to it and start living your life and enjoying it instead of wasting your time arguing a moot point with random strangers on the internet who will never agree with you anyway.

so many words and nobody can point where does exist the past when it's not existing here anymore, so i can draw my fucking points

i mean if time exists, past exists, future exists... let's admit they have no spatial dimensions attached like the present (which's a frame that tends to 0 as duratio), but whatever other dimensions attached, how do they exists and what proves that they do?

and gravity affects maybe just our perception of time and some measurements tools, but how can gravity affect the past if the past doesn't exist anymore here (by definition)

also, what happens with my spatial dimensions when i become past, if the past can't be located in space?

i think the main problem i have with getting my head around this is that if time (past, future) does not manifestly exist, then what is there that can fill its space? What you say here makes sense to me, i cant answer those questions but i can see the logic in questioning the existence of time with them, but i can't work out a way of understanding life without them.
past and future time exist, maybe not tangibly, but in everyones minds and thoughts at least, doesn't my having experienced the past confirm its existence?

the problem with discussing past as a concept and trying to work out how gravity can affect the past, or how to draw points from the past, is that we cannot go to the past to measure how gravity affects it; were we to do that then the past would just become the present to us.

[DRTY]

i mean if time exists, past exists, future exists... let's admit they have no spatial dimensions attached like the present (which's a frame that tends to 0 as duratio), but whatever other dimensions attached, how do they exists and what proves that they do?

and gravity affects maybe just our perception of time and some measurements tools, but how can gravity affect the past if the past doesn't exist anymore here (by definition)

So are you saying you think that the past and future exist?

The past and future doesn't exist, we (the present) are a product of the past, and a catalyst of the future.

Just because the past happened doesn't mean it needs to exist now. Just because time exists, that doesn't mean that the past and future physically exist.

[parson]

if somebody could not smell and they were in an elevator and somebody farted, they would have no idea.

everybody has perceptual limitations, as well as a limit to what they can imagine beyond those boundaries of perception. but to outright deny the existence of things you're unwilling to imagine is flat out moronic.

there are reasons theoretical physics is taken seriously.

[parson]

[alien pimp]

This thread had the potential to be interesting if it wasn't for the 10 pages of complete shit.
Time exists alien pimp, it's one of the few things we can prove. It has been shown to work in a constant way with constant effects. Even if everything we are perceiving is in fact "not real", we are still perceiving it. All of us - maybe some in a different way to due psychological reasons, but the real and physical effect of time is always a constant, measureable thing. Just because we don't understand how the future works it doesn't mean we aren't part of a present, moving towards a future.
The chaos of time is of course very interesting, we can never say for sure what will happen in the next quantifiable amount of time, or where it will lead us.
If you don't believe in time, then you must believe you are some kind of imagination floating in a jar or something. Either way it doesn't matter, you aren't experiencing life in a jar, you are experiencing just as everyone else is.
I find it's usually only the most narcissistic self involved people that believe in these jar theories. Step outside and you see the world is very real, the joy, the pain, the suffering. Its all real mate, get used to it and start living your life and enjoying it instead of wasting your time arguing a moot point with random strangers on the internet who will never agree with you anyway.

so many words and nobody can point where does exist the past when it's not existing here anymore, so i can draw my fucking points

i mean if time exists, past exists, future exists... let's admit they have no spatial dimensions attached like the present (which's a frame that tends to 0 as duratio), but whatever other dimensions attached, how do they exists and what proves that they do?

and gravity affects maybe just our perception of time and some measurements tools, but how can gravity affect the past if the past doesn't exist anymore here (by definition)

also, what happens with my spatial dimensions when i become past, if the past can't be located in space?

i think the main problem i have with getting my head around this is that if time (past, future) does not manifestly exist, then what is there that can fill its space? What you say here makes sense to me, i cant answer those questions but i can see the logic in questioning the existence of time with them, but i can't work out a way of understanding life without them.
past and future time exist, maybe not tangibly, but in everyones minds and thoughts at least, doesn't my having experienced the past confirm its existence?

the problem with discussing past as a concept and trying to work out how gravity can affect the past, or how to draw points from the past, is that we cannot go to the past to measure how gravity affects it; were we to do that then the past would just become the present to us.

exactly man, but that part with the hearts and minds is romance, not something you can use as in that video for scientific theories
i appreciate the fact that you took the time to really understand my shit

[alien pimp]

i mean if time exists, past exists, future exists... let's admit they have no spatial dimensions attached like the present (which's a frame that tends to 0 as duratio), but whatever other dimensions attached, how do they exists and what proves that they do?

and gravity affects maybe just our perception of time and some measurements tools, but how can gravity affect the past if the past doesn't exist anymore here (by definition)

So are you saying you think that the past and future exist?

The past and future doesn't exist, we (the present) are a product of the past, and a catalyst of the future.

Just because the past happened doesn't mean it needs to exist now. Just because time exists, that doesn't mean that the past and future physically exist.

apparently you didn't follow the thread and the arguments either or the video
you don't understand also what it takes to consider something a dimension and many other things well explained here
for this thread: read more, talk less and don't take personal some dudes on the internetz

[DRTY]

apparently you didn't follow the thread and the arguments either or the video
you don't understand also what it takes to consider something a dimension and many other things well explained here
for this thread: read more, talk less and don't take personal some dudes on the internetz

Doesn't matter mate because what happened earlier doesn't exist anyway, forget about it

You didn't answer my question earlier, are you UK or not, so I can swing you that link about time.

[alien pimp]

yeh, past is memory, just the reflection in our mind, so we can draw a line between points and have this nice dream while we perpetually transform

sorry about that question: i'm in spain mon :/

drop a title if really relevant, i'll find it

[parson]

he's in belgium.

edit: oh spain

[DRTY]

Horizon - Brian Cox - Do You Know What Time it is.

Think i was originally on BBC2. It's not 100% relevant, but it is about time, and it does talk about string theory for about 5/10 minutes.