Syria, Iraq, and the Road To Hell

[Devilsindub]

If Assad puts on a smile and complies with Russia, the US, the UK, France, and the UN and removes all the chemical weapons and does whatever else they want him to do, I highly doubt the US will do any airstrikes.

I agree with you there. I think that on principle alone the US government is really trying to stay out of conflict just so they don't piss off Americans to the point of an uprising. We are notorious for winning our rebellions.

[alphacat]

Like said pages ago: the Saudis have a vested interest in destabilizing one of the two Shi'a majority countries. I believe that's secondary here - that the pipeline politics are the larger sinkhole drawing all the big players out of the woodwork - but you add the opportunity for the most powerful Sunni country in the world to basically destroy one of these two Shi'a states from the inside - and they couldn't resist getting involved.

The Wall Street Journal recently revealed new details about how Prince Bandar bin Sultan al-Saud — Saudi’s former ambassador to the United States — is leading the effort to prop up the Syrian rebels. Intelligence agents from Saudi Arabia, the United States, Jordan and other allied states are working at a secret joint operations center in Jordan to train and arm hand-picked Syrian rebels. The Journal also reports Prince Bandar has been jetting from covert command centers near the Syrian front lines to the Élysée Palace in Paris and the Kremlin in Moscow, seeking to undermine the Assad regime. "Really what he’s doing is he’s reprising a role that he played in the 1980s when he worked with the Reagan administration to arrange money and arms for mujahideen fighters in Afghanistan and also worked with the CIA in Nicaragua to support the Contras," says Wall Street Journal reporter Adam Entous. "So in many ways this is a very familiar position for Prince Bandar, and it’s amazing to see the extent to which veterans of the CIA were excited to see him come back because, in the words of a diplomat who knows Bandar, he brings the Arabic term wasta, which means under-the-table clout. You know his checks are not going to bounce and that he’ll be able to deliver the money from the Saudis."

And I agree with Chomsky: the U.S. should shut the fuck up and stop trying to play world cop and try and get everyone to ban ALL chemical weapons, period. Not fuckin' likely though.

[Devilsindub]

I agree that the US should not get involved with sovereign nation conflicts. Getting rid of chemical weapons should a complete joined effort by the entire world. Along with nuclear weapons. If people want a war, then there should be some actual perseverance. Get your hands dirty and win it fair and square.

[Jizz]

And I agree with Chomsky: the U.S. should shut the fuck up and stop trying to play world cop and try and get everyone to ban ALL chemical weapons, period. Not fuckin' likely though.

yeah that's what Putin's been saying too isn't it, but the fact that it's Putin supporting it only makes it more prone to American opposition lol

[titchbit]

Well America wouldn't be getting involved if the UN would do something about it. America just doesn't want to see this go unpunished. They don't want to be the world police, but no one else is stepping up to the plate.

[Devilsindub]

Well America wouldn't be getting involved if the UN would do something about it. America just doesn't want to see this go unpunished. They don't want to be the world police, but no one else is stepping up to the plate.

That is a brilliant point man. Although US reasoning may be selfish, no one else is considering the consequences of letting something like the use of chemical weapons go. The US doesn't want chemical weapons to be used because it could ultimately be used on our soldiers. This would make it hard for the US to keep their military strength.

[alphacat]

And again: the UN isn't doing anything because big-money blocs are jockeying behind the scenes to exploit the situation to their benefit and preventing the proper role of international law from having anything to do with it. Our eagerness to get involved is directly linked to this money jockeying and NOT fucking humanitarianism. That's a joke. 100,000 dead already... but whoa, gas someone instead of shelling/shooting/cutting/hanging them? Oh no! Can't have that.



Guys: America is not a benign uncle or divine mediator. Stop buying the official news taglines. Syrian chemical weapons are a threat to us? Really? When we have by far the most advanced killing machines on the planet? C'mon. Syria's no more of a direct threat to us than Iraq or Afhganistan were; they're merely threatening the business status quo, and that's why we're riled up.

[Devilsindub]

If we have such superior weaponry than I never saw it. Sure we can call in air strikes on targeted locations, big fucking deal. We use a smaller caliber weapon than the opposition. Our only advantage is our soldiers know how to use the weapons. If you put a 7.26 cal in the hands of opposing forces that know how to use their weapons, there's really no advantage in terms of weaponry.

[Devilsindub]

Sorry that's 7.26 mm round not cal

[MrBlack]

revealed as a fake imo

[AxeD]

Not enough people are talking about what's actually happening and too many people are talking about ''what's really going on...''.

elaborate

axe is assad

No I meant, too many people are talking about conspiracies, 'murica' and chemical weapons.
I'm more interested in the war going on in Syria the last 2 years.

In the media for example, right now there's all these positive messages because they will have the
chemicals destroyed.. it barely changes the situation if you ask me. There will still be tons of chemical weapons
in the country, plus it doesn't change the fact that there's war crimes being committed every day there.

[Devilsindub]

revealed as a fake imo

What's revealed as a fake?

[SCope13]

If we have such superior weaponry than I never saw it. Sure we can call in air strikes on targeted locations, big fucking deal. We use a smaller caliber weapon than the opposition. Our only advantage is our soldiers know how to use the weapons. If you put a 7.26 cal in the hands of opposing forces that know how to use their weapons, there's really no advantage in terms of weaponry.

lol you're honestly saying the Syrian army in any way compares the the United States'? quit kidding yourself.

[Devilsindub]

If we have such superior weaponry than I never saw it. Sure we can call in air strikes on targeted locations, big fucking deal. We use a smaller caliber weapon than the opposition. Our only advantage is our soldiers know how to use the weapons. If you put a 7.26 cal in the hands of opposing forces that know how to use their weapons, there's really no advantage in terms of weaponry.

lol you're honestly saying the Syrian army in any way compares the the United States'? quit kidding yourself.

People need to stop thinking that the American military is so much more superior. We bleed like everyone else. My squad along with many others took major casualties during fire fights with the Taliban. The Taliban were very poorly trained. On several occasions we would see them lift their rifles over their heads and blindly spray the area. Although these dip shits didn't have good aim, there bullets that made contact would rip limbs off. They used soviet weapons, the AK 47 mostly, which contain larger bullets than our standard M4 5.56. They do more damage. If you put those weapons in the hands of men that are better trained, casualties would be much greater. In terms of tactics the US definitely take the cake. A lot of that doesn't matter when the opposition are shooting precise hits at our soldiers. I'm sure that the Syrian Army know a thing or two about tactics as well. All I'm saying is that a ground fight with Syria isn't going to be easy.

[bennyfroobs]

Well America wouldn't be getting involved if the UN would do something about it. America just doesn't want to see this go unpunished. They don't want to be the world police, but no one else is stepping up to the plate.

youve been propaganda'd

i HIGHLY doubt america truely gives the tiniest shit about letting this go "unpunished". have you seen how much widespread devastation america is responsible for? its jokes man they dont give a rats bumbum

[bennyfroobs]

+ devilsindub your 'insider' (if u get what i mean) info stuff is well interesting man

[SCope13]

If we have such superior weaponry than I never saw it. Sure we can call in air strikes on targeted locations, big fucking deal. We use a smaller caliber weapon than the opposition. Our only advantage is our soldiers know how to use the weapons. If you put a 7.26 cal in the hands of opposing forces that know how to use their weapons, there's really no advantage in terms of weaponry.

lol you're honestly saying the Syrian army in any way compares the the United States'? quit kidding yourself.

People need to stop thinking that the American military is so much more superior. We bleed like everyone else. My squad along with many others took major casualties during fire fights with the Taliban. The Taliban were very poorly trained. On several occasions we would see them lift their rifles over their heads and blindly spray the area. Although these dip shits didn't have good aim, there bullets that made contact would rip limbs off. They used soviet weapons, the AK 47 mostly, which contain larger bullets than our standard M4 5.56. They do more damage. If you put those weapons in the hands of men that are better trained, casualties would be much greater. In terms of tactics the US definitely take the cake. A lot of that doesn't matter when the opposition are shooting precise hits at our soldiers. I'm sure that the Syrian Army know a thing or two about tactics as well. All I'm saying is that a ground fight with Syria isn't going to be easy.

[Devilsindub]

That doesn't mean shit dude. That spending is going mainly going to the air force and navy, not the army or marines. Although the Army has more technology then the Marines, it's not much more. We go out there with shit. That money is going towards missiles and air crafts.

[Devilsindub]

Case and point, when I went to basic training I ate total slop. Sure we had a side that they called the fatty side, but no one dared to eat from there because they would get smoked. The air force on the other hand, they get their choice of ribs, filet minion, or salmon during their basic training. That's also where the money's going.

[AxeD]

We don't divide between army, navy, marines mane... If they drop a few of those 400.000 dollar gps guided bombs from
those trillion dollar jets on a guy with a rifle, it's gonna be done soon.

Pretty sure the Syrian army didn't deploy a bunch of fuckin robots in the US either.