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Post by r » Sun Dec 07, 2008 6:23 pm

manray wrote:
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manray wrote:It's funny that people are going on about speaker placement when most home set ups are extremely poor acoustically anyway so that is the least of your problem.
Think about what you just said mate...

It translates as "It's funny that people worry about their acoustics, cos they mostly have poor acoustics, so acoustics are the least of your problem"

Good speaker placement is KEY to tackling the poor acoustics of any room, and getting your speakers in the right spot is the cheapest thing you can do to improve the sound in your room (it's free to move your speakers innit) and you'd be a complete idiot to spend money on acoustic treatment without even getting your speaker placement right first!
Well done. I'm not saying otherwise but most people in here can't dedicated a whole room to their studio and so have to live with a poor sounding room. So stressing about speaker placement is dumb, work around it and you can get decent results.

Speaker placement is just one part. For example my studio is in one half of a large living room space. Solid oak floor all over, very sparse, echos like fuck and impossible to get sounding nice without sticking loads of foam up everywhere. So the least of my worries is where my speakers go because frankly the whole fucking room needs work.
yeah sorry, but i cant say you're right.

Why should you make a problem by place your monitors badly and try to solve with other stuff instead of making a beginning of a good placement? I don't really understand ur point at searching other solutions. I prefer avoid problems instead of making them and solve them. Think about a better placement and using a analyser.... Ofcourse you have lots of verb and resonance in ur room but thats an other problem. Thats something you keep if you dont use traps/foam. I prefer a normal bass sound out of my speakers instead of +3 db more instead there is.... 2 things. Fucks up my mix and makes my neighbours more angry.

edit : no offence or something...

another thing about volume. You know volume grows exponential right ? so imagine when you're blasting ur volume up to like 90 db's at home with your subwoofer also in a corner blasting ur new dubstep hit. All you hear is a nice energetic song with buttloads of bass. Then the same night you go to a club where you've to spin and you drop in your own record. and i already see you boosting the bass eq knob.


just tips man.. no worrys.


another thing bout volume... EQ

I see lots of people asking why cutting instead of boosting and its quite simple to explain even i haven't seen lots of people who has a clear vision bout it.

It's more like this... When you're cutting a freq its quite easy to do for an EQ. See it as a piece of paper and you cutting the paper with a scissor. Quite easy task isnt it ?

Now when you boost freqs its like glueing a bit piece of paper on the normal piece you already have. It's like much more work.

Instead of boosting your bass freqs, cut your the freqs of your other samples/instruments.....


Ofcourse its not a crime too boost but i can tell you that your mix sounds much more open and transparant. You'll hear you can put much more things inyour arrangement without noticing things are fighting with eachother

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Post by wil blaze » Mon Dec 08, 2008 11:44 am

manray wrote:
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manray wrote:It's funny that people are going on about speaker placement when most home set ups are extremely poor acoustically anyway so that is the least of your problem.
Think about what you just said mate...

It translates as "It's funny that people worry about their acoustics, cos they mostly have poor acoustics, so acoustics are the least of your problem"

Good speaker placement is KEY to tackling the poor acoustics of any room, and getting your speakers in the right spot is the cheapest thing you can do to improve the sound in your room (it's free to move your speakers innit) and you'd be a complete idiot to spend money on acoustic treatment without even getting your speaker placement right first!
Well done. I'm not saying otherwise but most people in here can't dedicated a whole room to their studio and so have to live with a poor sounding room. So stressing about speaker placement is dumb, work around it and you can get decent results.

Speaker placement is just one part. For example my studio is in one half of a large living room space. Solid oak floor all over, very sparse, echos like fuck and impossible to get sounding nice without sticking loads of foam up everywhere. So the least of my worries is where my speakers go because frankly the whole fucking room needs work.
I see you point of view, but to be honest mate i think you'd be suprised how much better your room might sound if you found the perfect spot for your speakers. If you're room is so poor acoustically, this is one of the biggest things you can do to improve it.

Mind you, i'm an acoustics freak... so maybe i get a bit too obsessed with it.... but when i move into a new room i spend at least 6-10 hours working out where's the best spot for the speakers. I did my degree in acoustics and recording so I learnt a lot about it then... it's all just physics basically.

Trust though, before anyone in here goes out and spends loads on acoustic treatment, just tyr moving your speakers about a bit and see what results you can get... ;)

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Post by chef » Mon Dec 08, 2008 2:55 pm

If your room is acoustically shit like alot of studios I've been in this year then speaker placement is even more critical. Simple
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Post by Hide_One » Mon Dec 08, 2008 3:19 pm

I think my room is possibly the worst acoustically room available: Square, cinderblocks, hardfloor; everywhere I sit's a room mode! and the stupid fixtures where they run the leccy is a rattly plastic bastard.
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Post by serox » Mon Dec 08, 2008 3:29 pm

what r the rules for speaker placement?

at the moment mine cause bad resonance being close to a corner wall.
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Post by Hide_One » Mon Dec 08, 2008 3:56 pm

Serox wrote:what r the rules for speaker placement?

at the moment mine cause bad resonance being close to a corner wall.
dunno if this helps...

http://www.gcaudio.com/resources/howtos ... ement.html

To make my speakers taller Ive put them on paper back books seems (to me) to make a difference.

Also ive got a clothes rail opposite to my speakers (once again maybe I only hear a difference)

Article above doesnt mention subs, which are omni-diretional so sounds bouncing of every where. I'm pretty limited to where I can put mine tho so its messy!
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Post by r » Mon Dec 08, 2008 7:16 pm

Serox wrote:what r the rules for speaker placement?

at the moment mine cause bad resonance being close to a corner wall.
a good speaker placement is something like this (easy said) :

try to put your speakers like 40 cm away from your wall so it gets some space in the back. ( this already stuff that isnt to do easily )

set the tweeters on the same hight as ur ears.

set the speakers this like the sweetspot is on the back of your head.
try to make a triangle.

foam under your monitors help to erease freqs that only botters u in the low end and it helps your neighbours who live under ya room ;)

don't place ur speakers in a corner because of that bass boost storry i told.

if u think the placement still sucks then try a sine test. you have that stuff in ableton and logic. I don't know if you have that in cubase or other software but its basically a sinewave that plays in surten freqs. it starts at 20 hz and ends 16khz. just put up a freq and try to understand what happens in ur room. You'll notice there will be lots of volume differences. The best result is to not have tot differences in volume anymore on every certain freq.


this is just a simple explanation and enough stuff to setup your speakers a bit better. If you're interested in acoustics then study something bout physics.

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Post by future one » Wed Dec 10, 2008 12:39 am

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Post by truncated » Wed Dec 10, 2008 1:32 am

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is that a mattress behind your monitors?

does it help at all?

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Post by theaccuria » Wed Dec 10, 2008 1:38 am

Future One - nice set up but how you see anything on a monitor that small is beyond me!

Im repping a 24" monitor here and i could never work on anything small, ever.
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Post by future one » Wed Dec 10, 2008 2:57 am

Yeah it's a mattress... Not really sure if it makes the monitors sound any better. I just needed a somewhere to store it :lol:


TheAccuria yeah I really need to invest in a better monitor.

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Post by manray » Wed Dec 10, 2008 9:57 am

Wil Blaze wrote:I see you point of view, but to be honest mate i think you'd be suprised how much better your room might sound if you found the perfect spot for your speakers. If you're room is so poor acoustically, this is one of the biggest things you can do to improve it.

Mind you, i'm an acoustics freak... so maybe i get a bit too obsessed with it.... but when i move into a new room i spend at least 6-10 hours working out where's the best spot for the speakers. I did my degree in acoustics and recording so I learnt a lot about it then... it's all just physics basically.

Trust though, before anyone in here goes out and spends loads on acoustic treatment, just tyr moving your speakers about a bit and see what results you can get... ;)
Not trying to argue against good speaker placement... It's one of the easiest things to work on... I'm just saying for alot of people who can't make the changes that they shouldn't stress over it too much because you can work around it if you understand what is going on and work with it. Knowing your equipment and how to get the most out of a setup is equally important!

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Post by theaccuria » Fri Dec 12, 2008 12:30 am

Home for the weekend so this is my make-do setup here!

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Post by future one » Wed Dec 17, 2008 10:20 pm

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You have a Thermionic culture vulture, and a distressor?!! :n: :n:

Those beauties must have set you back a lot!
Yeah they weren't cheap. They sound amazing though.

Next on the list an API A2D. :twisted:

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Post by rendr » Thu Dec 18, 2008 3:39 am

Fucking ghetto DH!

What is that? Windows 98?

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Post by ST100 » Thu Dec 18, 2008 3:45 am

I want Future One's RUMBLE poster. :D

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Rendr wrote:Fucking ghetto DH!

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Post by truncated » Thu Dec 18, 2008 4:20 am

buy an lcd i beg you lol

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